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Posted by Shambler on 2003/05/11 15:08:47 |
I thought a trio of themed threads about other entertainment media might be good. If you're not interested, please just ignore the thread and pick some threads that interest you from here: http://celephais.net/board/view_all_threads.php
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 Game Over Man! Game Over!
#798 posted by nitin on 2004/10/20 01:39:29
UK Teletext reports that British director Paul W. S. Anderson ("Alien vs. Predator", "Resident Evil") is to write the sixth movie in the "Alien" franchise, according to sources close to the film maker.
Newcastle-born Anderson, 39, has apparently been asked by Twentieth Century Fox to pen a new script featuring the creatures on their own (ie. no Predators). Whether that includes the return of Ellen Ripley (Sigourney Weaver) however is unknown.
The offer for the moment is simply to pen the script, not to direct as such although that may happen thanks to the success of AVP
 While I'm Here
#799 posted by nitin on 2004/10/20 01:49:35
some more stuff I saw :
Yojimbo - pretty good, has a coolness about it in terms of mood which is nice.
King of Comedy - I'm glad I checked this out because for a Scorcese film, this doesnt get much mention. I guess that might have to do with the lack of any signatory Scorcese visual pyrotechnics, but it's easily one of his best films. Robert DeNiro is excellent in this psychotic/comic role.
Cool Hand Luke - Excellent film, Paul Newman in great form and pretty good script. Also, I would have never thought this to be the movie behind some of the inspiration for the Coens' O Brother Where Art Thou.
Ran - Drags a bit in the middle due to the script but the direction is outstanding. The use of the screen is seldomly done so well. It's also refreshing to see 'real' armies in this day of CGI everything.
The Day After Tomorrow - Big, dumb and boring. I quit after about an hour in, despite some impressive effects.
All About Eve - Didnt like this much, seemed like a lite version of Sunset Boulevard, which is a much beter film.
 Re: Paul W S Anderson
#800 posted by Kinn on 2004/10/20 03:37:50
Yeah, it's a fucking shame, but there's very little art in mainstream cinema these days - Anderson will bang out a film in half the time it takes a proper director, make sure there's enough explosions and "bullet time" to amuse the braying hordes, and he'll do all this on the cheap as well, which is why Hollywood love him so much. The only director that can out-shit Anderson is Uwe Boll. (Watch the "Alone in the Dark" teaser trailer if you don't believe me).
 Kinn
#801 posted by nitin on 2004/10/20 04:07:35
it really doesnt have to be ART, Aliens wasnt an art film, Die Hard wasnt an art film but they were bloody enjoyable nonetheless.
As for Alien 6, given Mr Anderson's past scripts, I expect the final draft to be ready by the weekend.
 Alien 6
#802 posted by starbuck on 2004/10/20 05:07:56
aliens are let loose in a shopping mall. It's up to a sassy cop with street smarts to find an antidote to the aliens acid blood before its too late, and the aliens escape from Dunkin' Donuts to theaten mankind.
But all hell breaks loose and its time for an ethnically diverse team of civilians (including one comic relief character and one guy in a wheelchair) to block the motorway, so the aliens can't leave the city. They succeed, but a few of them die. The End.
 Starbuck
#803 posted by nitin on 2004/10/20 05:34:47
You should be making films, coming up with a script like that usually takes at least a weekend.
With people like you around, how can Paul W S Anderson compete? The world is too unfair.
 German Movie
#804 posted by megaman on 2004/10/20 08:05:28
dunno if youll ever get the opportunity to watch this one, buts its very nice. title translates into
"agnes and his brothers" by oskar roehler
im not sure what genre i should sort this one into - portrait/melodrama or sth., but anyways its a very intense watch!
 Semantics
#805 posted by Kinn on 2004/10/20 08:18:56
nitin: well, you know what I mean. I'm not saying Alien 6 should be a black and white foreign language film about an incestual thalidomide family or anything, but I'd at least expect that the director respect Ridley Scott's legacy and produce something other than the badger-felching cinematic offal that characterises every single other film on Paul W S Anderson's resume.
 Also
#806 posted by Kell on 2004/10/20 10:58:16
Alien 6? WTF happened to 5? Surely AvP isn't considered the 5th Alien film?
 Looks Like
#807 posted by Vondur on 2004/10/20 11:02:11
avp considered as 5th film
and people, stop speaking about alien franchise when kell is around!
 Oh God
#808 posted by ProdigyXL on 2004/10/20 11:19:37
They should of stopped at 3, at least that had some artistic value. 4 and AVP have just destroyed the franchise. I haven't seen AVP, and I refuse to, I don't want to loose any more faith in these movies.
I have the Quadrology or whatever and someone made the point that the 5th film could be a precursor to the first film. Like how the first alien ship goot there, did someone get their first? That kind of thing, that would be interesting.
 I Think
#809 posted by Kell on 2004/10/20 11:20:46
I think I am actually going to be physically sick :(
 Prod
#810 posted by Kell on 2004/10/20 11:34:24
exploring the origins of the derelict, its pilot and the alien species-as-bioweapon has been a perennial for fanbois like myself.
While I and a few others would be very interested in such expansion, I don't think it would make for a good film in its own right, because it would rely so much on knowledge of the franchise while at the same time trying to mask the alien behind the mystery of the first film ( essentially impossible now that so much has been revealed over the course of the films ).
I always believed the best source for Aliens stories, following the second film, was the graphic novels. An Animatrix type project could have been an option at one time.
With a new alien-only movie, I think the best approach they could have taken with regard the latter film(s) could have been the same as Highlander 3 ( still an awful movie ), i.e. disregarding the previous sequel entirely.
However, if AvP is considered canon by the studio and Anderson has been handed the project ( instead of Cameron and/or Ridley as was previously rumoured ) then all hope is truly lost.
Really, I think the alien franchise lost it when Weaver was allowed to decide she was its most important element. Which, just to clarify, she fucking isn't.
 Alien Resurrection
#811 posted by Jago on 2004/10/20 11:39:10
I don't really get it why people diss it so much. IMHO, it's 2nd best alien film, right after Aliens (the 2nd movie). I can't understand how could anyone consider the first Alien movie to be the best of them all, it was B-grade trash.
 Farscape - Peacekeeper Wars
#812 posted by Jago on 2004/10/20 11:46:29
I guess some of you might've heard of the new Farscape miniseries which is aired on Sci-Fi. Since Sci-Fi is no longer avaible in Scandinavia (yes, not avaible at all), I had to download the episodes off the net, but oh well.
Anyways, the websites say that it's a 4 houts long miniseries consisting of 4 episodes made to finish the story of Farscape (yes, John and Aeryn are brought back, in a sensible way). It was a very decent flick, but I was left wondering why the websites were lying about it. It's actually 3 hours long and consists of 2 episodes, 1 1/2 hours each.
 Jago
#813 posted by nitin on 2004/10/20 11:58:16
watch Alien on a big screen with surround sound, it's a stunning film in all respects.
Especially if you see it first and then the others (the chestburster scene and android reveal dont have the same impact if you know whats coming).
 Nitin
#814 posted by Jago on 2004/10/20 12:05:50
I�ve watched all Alien movies in their proper order and the first movie failed to do a whole lot of impact on me. To top that off, the latter movies have noticably higher re-watch value. I think that at this point, I've seen Aliens SE about 15 times, Alien 3 about 8 times and Alien Resurrection 6 times. I've only watched Alien twice.
 You Lie
#815 posted by nitin on 2004/10/20 12:20:22
no one could have seen alien resurrection 6 times and still live to tell the tale!
 Jago...
#816 posted by ProdigyXL on 2004/10/20 13:40:54
Regardless of which order you watch the films, Alien remains the best of the series. Aliens is very very close second tho. I think you went into the movies with the idea that they would all be similar to Aliens, high octane action flick. The orginal Alien tho is a suspense driven, horror flick. It was about atmosphere and sounds, mystery. It came down to what you didn't see, more than what you did see.
The best way to experience a film like that is, as mentioned above, dark room, by yourself with surround sound cranked up. I really suggest you take another look at the original and see that even by todays standards a marvolous movie.
As ar as watching Resurretion 6 times, I can't help but think you must be dead inside by now. No matter if you're a fan or the series or not, that was just a bad movie. Predictable plot, poor and unrealistic special effects, emmensily annoying characters, and on and on, just bad.
 Mmmm...
#817 posted by Vigil on 2004/10/20 13:42:32
I love it how this thread always ends up being about Alien.
but I'd at least expect that the director respect Ridley Scott's legacy
But Aliens didn't respect Scott's legacy, at all. Neither did Alien 3, it didn't even respect Cameron's legacy.
Having a queen was Cameron's idea, Ridley Scott had the eggs made from humans. Scott didn't like this.
Moving on a few years, and Cameron didn't really like how Newt and Hicks were killed so abruptly.
Three quality films (oh shut up, I really like Alien 3), each with a different director with his own, different ideas, which also means that the sequels aren't quite what the previous director(s) wanted. This is quite true if you watch the special editions. In each movie, the creature itself behaves differently, and looks different. Of course, I'm not saying this is entirely a bad thing. I'm having real problems getting my point across, aren't I? It's just that the ethos itself, if one only counts the movies, isn't that consistent within itself.
I can't understand how could anyone consider the first Alien movie to be the best of them all, it was B-grade trash.
First of all, I agree with nitin. Second of all, you should remember the year this movie was made, and think about the scifi movies made before it. Alien came out in 1979. All of a sudden, space wasn't a happy place to be, it was eerie, claustrophobic, plausible, and, most of all, fucking scary.
This creature wasn't just some guy wearing a rubber suit in a movie, it was simply... alien (mind the pun), horrifying. So fucking frightening that Veronic Cartwright's character freezes when she sees it. It has acid for blood, it seems terrifyingly smart, and it's extremely fast and deadly.
Then consider the budget, which wasn't much. Yet Nostromo's insides look absolutely fabulous, very compact, very empty and desolate. Octagonal hallways? Yup, got plenty of them here. Seen them elsewhere? Guess where they're from. (Somebody point out if this is horribly wrong.)
And then there's the chest burster scene...
 Christ, That Was Long
#818 posted by Vigil on 2004/10/20 13:44:08
One more thing thought. The Quadrilogy set is very much worth buying. Thank you.
Now, Fox should simply send me that check...
 The Quadrilogy Set
#819 posted by Jago on 2004/10/20 13:48:31
I plan on buying it when I get a spare 60 euro. Too bad there are many things I have to buy which are somewhat higher on my priority list (like new monitor, new cpu heatsink/cooler and possibly a new CPU). But eventually, I'll get it.
 Oi
#820 posted by Zwiffle on 2004/10/20 14:03:24
Relating to the comics from Dark Horse, of which I am a big fan, Aliens themselves are explained very clearly in how they act as a hive species. Not all Aliens are of the same hive, thus sometimes you get hive wars - hence the comic Alien: Hive War which IMO was one of the best.
As far as the movies go, this is my order:
Aliens
Alien (It's classic, so that's why it rates this high.)
AvP
Alien Resurrection
Alien 3
Alien 3 is abysmal. (sp?) Why they brought Ripley back in Resurrection makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever. Yeah, geeks like that 'familiar' feeling, but seriously, the whole Alien mythos is too big to be concentrated on one character again and again.
The Alien series is also very diverse as far as movie genres go; You have horror, action, suspense, thriller, etc etc. Yes, you also have some comedy and maybe some romance - but I won't get into that.
As for Alien 6, I'm looking forward to it. I would love to see AvP 2 as well, I'm a diehard fan of both, and AvP made me very, very happy. I mean it's so early that you can't say "GOD DAMN THEY GOT THAT ONE GUY TO PEN THE SCRIPT TO THE 6th ALIEN MOVIE??? FUCK !!! THOSE SCAMPIE-WORSHIPPERS!!!" It could turn out really, really well.
I would like to see other Alien species though, instead of the normal Human-alien, Dog-alien, Queen, facehugger etc. That's one of the great things about the comics - they explore so many different aspects of the Alien mythos, including diverse Alien species.
 Zwiffle
#821 posted by nitin on 2004/10/20 22:07:12
a script is very important, and Mr Anderson has repeatedly shown an inability to even produce a script, let alone a good one.
 America! Fuck Yeah!
#822 posted by pushplay on 2004/10/21 01:28:21
Tell me, Mr. Anderson, what good is a script when you are unable to write?
I just saw Team America World Police. It was everything I hoped it would be and more. If you like South Park or hate Jerry Bruckheimer then you absolutely have to see it.
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