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This is what bugs me the most about Source, all the arches etc are usually choppy brushes unless a model is used(seldom), the engine doesn't have patches.
which is the other one that is missing?
HL2 looks decent because it has good art, but the engine isn't really anything special. There are a few nice effects, like the water, and the lighting is nice, but most of the detail is contained in props. If you take out the props in Hammer (hide them) you can see a shell which is no more complex than a HL1 map - possibly less so. I was looking at parts of Highway 17 earlier, and if you stop to look at the actual brush geometry, it's shit. There is so little detail used. Thankfully, this is masked fairly well by the textures, lighting and abundance of props. I will try and make a HL2 dm map, but I don't know whether I will enjoy doing it because of the reliance on props for details. Unfortunately (?), you better get used to mapping like that, because that's definately the direction mapping has been taking in the past couple of years. Take a look at UT2004, most maps have like 50-100 brushes TOTAL with all the rest being meshes.
is it up yet? :o
:P shit, no. uh soon, mappers will be nothing but boxmap makers! :o
Either that or they'll have to make all their stuff in Max in the first place ^_~ Necros, I don't appear to have lun3dm3tex.zip anymore. I could pile a bunch of stuff in a new zip for you but I dunno if I want to introduce two different files to the internet.
Headthump/Hrimfaxi/Hooever said they had it: could you send me a list of what files are in the zip? I had most of your stuff on my old machine, but it's gone the way of all things. Perhaps,
www.planethalflife.com/wadfather would have the textures? atm i'm using the textures right out of lun3dm3 to test out some stuff. i didn't know it would be such a problem or i wouldn't have asked until i was sure. i'll get in touch with (vorelord? i'm too lazy to search back o.o) later if it works out.
cheers, and thanks anyway :) That show was a certifiable example of how the "more is more" concept works. I might have had enough if it had lasted about 2 hours longer.
I can split it in 2, and upload it to 2 different sites, both of which only allow me 10MB. I will Email you with the url's, once done. Wont be for another 2 hrs from the time of this post though. It will be everything from the original zip, unaltered.
It's certainly a far cry from making stuff in max, that's for sure. Modelling in a proper 3d package is teh awesome - but I don't like having to make bits in a 3dpackage like max, then import as props into a stupid boxroom level.
The problem with making levels in a proper 3d package is texturing... it takes a huge amount of time when you have a hundred thousand polys or more that require individual texture alignment. You can do boxmapping etc. but a lot of detail comes through proper application of correctly fitting textures, rather than a generic tileable metal texture or something. Then again... look at the texturing on some of HL2s props... You really don't notice shit texturing in game with good lighting masking it. The tools at the previous company I worked for had a pretty awesome set of texturing tools though, so I did all the texturing in Max. Making the textures was the biggest pain in the arse though, since we level guys would get given 2-4 weeks to texture a level (make 30-40 high res textures AND apply them... yeah, right - and you expect it to look good?) and the character guys would get a week to make ONE texture for their fucking characters. How do the producers get these fucking figures? Ugh, and I hate those games where the map editor is basically a terrain modeller that makes up and down wobbly hills, with no overhangs or anything, and then you just put props in. That's shit if you ask me. I really hope that is not the way things go. as a mapper, you were expected to make your own textures? :S is this a common practice among companies for mapping?
Ah, fuckit, I'll just zip a bunch of stuff up for you. You want photoshop files too or just the tgas?
if it's not too much trouble, yeah, it would be cool to have the photoshop files to work with.
what i'm basically trying to do is try to build some normal maps for them for d3, but i'm not sure it will work very well since all the textures have shadows painted on them already... that's why i don't want to bother anyone since i might not follow through on this thing after all. unless you have only diffuse versions of the textures, that would be pretty wicked... ^_^ barrel.jpg
barrelglow.jpg bubbles.jpg ceilwhite1.jpg ceilwhite1fx.jpg concrete0.jpg concrete0dark.jpg dmetsupport1.tga floor1.jpg floor1stripe.jpg floor2.jpg floor2stripe.jpg hhgtg.tga lite1.jpg lite1fx.jpg llight5.jpg llight5blend.jpg lun3dm3tex.shader lun3dm3tex.txt metglu.tga metpan_caution.tga metpan_caution2.tga metpan_lite1.tga metpan_lite1fx.jpg metpan1.tga metpan1r.tga metpan2.tga metpan3.tga metpan4.tga metpan5.tga q1comp2.jpg q1comp3.jpg q1comp4.jpg q1comp4glow.jpg q1comp5.jpg q1comp6.tga q1comp6bfx.jpg q1comp6fx.jpg q1comp6fx3.jpg q1comp6fx4.jpg q1comp6fx5.jpg q1comp6fx6.jpg q1comp6fx7.jpg q1comp6scroll.jpg q1comp7.jpg sky1.jpg sky2.jpg stair1.jpg star1.jpg star2.jpg star3.jpg star4.jpg star5.jpg star5b.jpg star6.jpg starb1.jpg starb2a.tga starb3.jpg starc.jpg stard.jpg telefloor.tga telefloorfx.jpg telewallfx.jpg telewallhigh.tga telewalllow.tga than_button1.jpg than_button1fx.jpg than_button2.jpg than_button2fx.jpg than_buttonsides.jpg xpiplun1a.tga zoot1.jpg zoot2.jpg FOLDERS <extras> ick_star1.psd rust_floor1.psd rust_floor2.psd rust_metal1.psd rust_star1.psd tech_floor1.psd tech_floor2.psd tech_metal1.psd tech_star1.psd <models> <mapobjects> <lun3dm3barrel> barrel.md3 barrel.ms3d barrel.qc barrel2.md3 barrel2.ms3d barrel2.qc <psd> floor1.psd floor2.psd metal1.psd metal2.psd panbase1.psd panbase2.psd star1.psd support1.psd telefloor.psd telewall.psd Necros, I uploaded evereything except for what is contained in the "extras" folder, the thanks vorelord! ^_^
the psds are the ones i'm most interested in. highlights and such are all on seperate layers so making a diffuse map is actually possible. u/l the second part whenever you have the chance. ^_^ I think it's fairly common. Some places expect it, some don't. I think the larger companies are more likely to have dedicated texture artists.
Some of the textures I had to make myself, and some were made by someone else... the textured version of my level ended up looking pretty shit. I'll be using untextured max renders touched up in PS for pics in my cv :) I doubt it, it probably depends on your job title/role though. Most of us here are both level designers and level builders, however, in the industry that role may be split rather than combined.
If you were hired as a level designer, its highly unlikely you'd be asked to do textures (surely most level guys aren't up to the task anyways?). Also if you're hired specifically as a level designer, you may find yourself in a position where you're expected to do pure design stuff and may not get to do any of the actual level construction - depending on the game, tools, staffing etc. If you're hired as a level builder, it is more likely you'd be asked to do textures, as this role is essentially that of an artist (assuming you're taking direction from a game designer or level designer, and not making your own stuff). However, this role is more like a '3D artist' and many companies will have specific 2D art guys to do the textures and stuff. So its possible you'd be asked to do textures, but still not guaranteed. Of course, it all depends on the company and the other staff you have available. But I can definitely tell you that I have rarely, if ever, seen either a level design or level building job advertised that listed texture creation ability as a requirement or a task. than speaks the truth!
texturing in 3ds is and modelling to the tex size is not really possible, cause the grid is usless (otherwise you could just boxmap and assign right mat IDs) etc etc Also, really odd to hear you had no dedicated texture artist i got the second part, so feel free to take it down. :)
one thing that was missing (i guess it wasn't in the original zip file) are the q1comp line of textures in PSD format. :( but the others are all there, so yayness. ^_^
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