Best Topic Evar.
#1 posted by Shambler
on 2006/02/04 01:11:18
So good I couldn't bring myself to edit it.
Metl, make this a sticky!
Im Gonna Visit
#2 posted by pope
on 2006/02/04 01:16:15
that url, maybe something fappable lies in wait
#3 posted by Preach
on 2006/02/04 02:13:25
Perhaps these bots are contributing to the slowness of func recently... If they aren't registered they're probably downloading the entirety of threads they visit to post in them, perhaps they just do it too often for the database to cope.
#4 posted by bambuz
on 2006/02/04 04:33:28
that wouldn't make sense since it'd cost them bandwith, but you might be right. Maybe they're using hijacked computers, dunno.
Oh, will the pestilence never end?
I still think it's not a solution to require registration for posters... Maybe make a mathematical calculation for the anonymous posters, like:
what is 5-3? [answer here]. Func's such a small place that nobody'll bother to code a bot to handle that. (you need image recognition for blogspot etc..)
I've Been Thinking About This...
#5 posted by metlslime
on 2006/02/04 14:24:24
There are systems (called CAPTCHAs or something) people have developed to force humans to type in text or whatever to prove they're human. I could do something like that.
#7 posted by metlslime
on 2006/02/04 18:39:59
that's exactly what i had in mind.
#8 posted by megaman on 2006/02/05 10:57:09
#9 posted by megaman on 2006/02/05 10:59:40
Megaman Has A Point
Maybe another way to solve this is to have people vote spam threads and messages off (e.g. put a button "report as spam" next to each message, and if at least x people click it, hide that message).
Sorry For The Double
#11 posted by megaman on 2006/02/05 20:06:09
server hung when posting and refresh of the thread didnt shot my comment :/
#12 posted by metlslime
on 2006/02/05 20:18:08
#13 posted by Friction on 2006/02/05 21:51:47
Some Interesting Reading On This...
#14 posted by metlslime
on 2006/02/06 01:15:33
As A First Step
#15 posted by negke
on 2006/02/06 07:28:56
wouldn't it make sense to at least set the "noindex" flag for func? no wonder it's an easy target if it appears in google results so often...
#16 posted by bambuz
on 2006/02/06 15:11:38
interesting read that second article, someone had sat down and actually thought the problem through to logical conclusions.
The question is ultimately ensuring the posters intentions... but that makes only moderation or buddylists useful.
It was good while it lasted, the internet and open forums and such.
That Second Article
#17 posted by megaman on 2006/02/07 04:17:41
is really really good. and shows how all these systems are really really flawed.
#18 posted by megaman on 2006/02/07 05:21:20
Accessibility mistake #4 (first one on that page) http://www.digital-web.com/articles/seven_accessibility_mistakes_part_2/
Sharing problems with the visitor
You want to protect your site from comment spam, e-mail spoofing, and content theft. But why should visitors bear the burden, and have to enter things they see � or cannot see � in images to submit an inquiry, when it really does nothing for their personal protection? Anything computer generated is hackable by a computer given enough time and dedication�even supposedly hack-proof CAPTCHAs.
Why should your visitors have to go through a multi-step sign-up process to ask you a question? It�s your problem when you get spammed�not theirs. Yes, it does frustrate the occasional prankster and gives you a chance to point out help devices such as your FAQ section, but it also means the visitors who really need to contact you have to go through a lot more steps than they should have to. How many times have you hung up the telephone in frustration after listening to all the options of an automated system?
very, very, true. Of course this is a site for
the community, so it's as much our
problem as yours, but still what he tries to say remains true.
/me thinks of map-center.com
#19 posted by than
on 2006/02/07 08:08:39
The only problem I have these days is with the few remaining popup tricks people have, and Flash.
Flash is great when used well. I think Google video uses Flash to stream video data, and it seems a lot less of a pain in the arse than QT, RM or WMV. Flash animations are often fun, as are games. However, Flash ads, menus and sites built purely using flash for no reason other than to look cool (usually advertising some game or film) are not ok. They suck cock and are usually a PITA to navigate.
There are also sites which use Flash for just little things. Take the site www.kotaku.com for example. I really like the site, and visit it at least once a day, but they use flash for the fucking titles of news posts just so that they can use the font of their choice. It is hardly even noticeable... unless you are using a shit PC, upon which point Flash obliterates your machine until you close the window. If you disable flash, the titles are shown in a regular sans-serif font in the same colour. Big fucking deal?
#20 posted by metlslime
on 2006/02/07 14:08:13
#21 posted by Pauk on 2006/02/10 14:21:12
I know you're not very keen on it but I've used a free service in the past thats very easy to get up and running. You don't need to piss about with getting graphics libraries and wotnot installed. They create the captcha images for you.
Website is: http://captchas.net/
You need an account, but its free, you just email them for it. You need to download a php class from there as well and they have an example of how to link it in here: http://captchas.net/sample/php/
You could have it up and running in 20 minutes, tops. If you want any pointers, well you know where I am.
Personally I don't have a problem with them, its a necessary evil unfortunately.
#22 posted by necros
on 2006/02/10 15:40:41
i'd rather alienate a bunch of non-registered users (register, damn it!) than have to type in some bit of shit for every post i want to make. am i the only one who thinks that's phenomenally retarded?
#23 posted by .
on 2006/02/10 17:41:32
Either moderate unregistered posts, encouraging people to register. Once they're registered, they can use a Captcha to verify that they're indeed human.
Or, require a captcha once per IP/IP range, every other week or so.
#24 posted by R.P.G.
on 2006/02/10 19:52:42
Are bots capable of posting from registered accounts? Maybe this is obvious, but if they can't post from registered accounts, and you still want to use captcha stuff, perhaps you could limit that requirement to unregistered users? Perhaps used in combination with various other methods such as IP blocking or limiting anonymous posting to X/(unit of time) that might reduce the frequency while causing a minimum of frustration.
I've gotta be honest, though: I'm not really concerned about the occasional spam message. There are already a few posts that I just ignore. However, eight in a row once every day or two kinda sucks.
What R.P.G Says Is Very Good
#25 posted by Ankh
on 2006/02/11 05:58:56