|Posted by Greenwood on 2020/10/21 23:01:52|
|Announcing Epochs of Enmity, a new "unofficial 6th," 10 map episode.
Epochs of Enmity (EoE) is a collection of 10 maps (12, if you include the start & end/credits map). A group of some reputable mappers have been gathered together to form a nice little “vanilla feel” episode.
The goal was to create an “unofficial 6th” episode, to follow Quake’s unofficial 5th, Dimension of the Past. The focus was to create a series of various themed maps, since Ranger is traveling through time to stop the evil that is tainting the time continuum.
Main maps had to include at least one quad, stay within the range of 100 enemies (more if multiple quads exist), and not use external models or sounds; however, skyboxes, colored lighting, and fog was okay.
Download & screenshots: https://www.quaddicted.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=4108#p4108
so many releases this month, this is incredible.
Wow, Just Wow
This month is shaping up to be like an early Christmas!
EOEM9 IS A FUCKING MASTER PIECE!
Geez, this map is awesome!
I‘m looking forward to playing this.
Demos For You Guys
Hey, Great episode everyone! It went by so fast and that is amazing considering it is 10 maps!
Here are my playthrough Skill 2 demos
That map 9 is so great, I would like to extract it from the pack, and try (as an experiment, say) to play it with other mods. How can I extract the maps from a pack file, on Mac OS?
Extracting that map would brick it. The episode runs on a stripped down version of progs_dump, so you would be wasting your time.
Glad to hear that you enjoyed it though!
Who Made This Map 9?
Is that you Greenwood?
No, it's Markie's.
All the details of the episode can be found in PDF manual that is included in the download. Additionally, the map title/designer info is also posted under each screenshot.
there's a pdf that explains everything
What's your weird obsession with playing everything in AD and ultimately breaking the experience for yourself. Almost every post you've made on func recently has been to say "I tried playing this in a mod that isn't supported and it broke, what's up?".
The Authors Of This Pack...
Deserve the Nobel prize in peace for finding a way to stop Barnak.
Thanks for making the episode! Found the secret level, interesting encounter in the main vertical area. EOEM4 felt a little bit too dark. In EOEM5 got stuck between the wall and the barrels in one place, had to noclip. Currently on map 7.
And You Guys Love To React So Negatively To My Way Of Playing Quake!
#12, dude, what's your problem with my "obsession" as you say? You're apparently obsessed with reacting negatively to others that don't see things the same as you do.
If I like to experiment and try non-standard things with Quake and custom maps/mods, it's my business and my way to have fun with this very old game, not yours.
I am glad to see that you are enjoying it. :)
Thanks for playing and for the compliments!
it's my business and my way to have fun with this very old game, not yours.
It's his maps, and his business how others play it.
The amount of quality releases we are getting this year is unbelievable... and to think we can expect at least two more great packs (HW jam soon and, I assume, XMas jam)! I'm looking forward to trying this out. A big thank you to the whole team for putting this together!
I understand Barnak, because I've became addicted to projectile pellets and other AD goodies too, after which vanilla seems not so cool anymore.
Congrats On Yet Another Epic Release
I've not finished it yet, but so far it's very good.
Also, can we take a moment to appreciate Greenwood's torches (or should that be "Greenwood's touch"?) on the ground?
Every time I see them I think to myself "Greenwood was there" :)
Finished. That final battle was ROUGH!
Forgot to mention that music is also really good and fitting as well. It's not quite common for Quake releases to feature their own music, at least not until recently, if I'm not mistaken - Dwell1, Raven Keep, Tears of the False God, and now EOE. Which is great and adds to the atmosphere.
Yep, The Music Is Great Too And Adds A Lot To The Atmosphere.
This is also why I would like to unpack the pack files, to use the music tracks for other maps/mods...
Demos for maps 1-3 while they're fresh on my mind...
Still kind of freaked out by that alarm sound in the music track, really set the mood right. The secrets were mostly on the easy side (also not sure if all of them needed to be explicitly tagged), but I had fun poking around the map to access them. Maybe even too much, since I kept trying to access an area that ended up having nothing :-)
I liked the tiny fiddly tech details and the dark night time atmosphere.
Fun idea with starting at the bottom of a mountain and climbing it through the inside, brought me back to the best bits of Nehahra in a way. Kind of wish the indoor part of the map wasn't basically one big room with bits in it, though, and some of the texture alignment was iffy. Died once to what looked like the Fiend instadeath bug - could have been fixed with Copper code.
Very interesting looking city map, with lots of work spent on micro details... maybe even too much, since the architecture was kind of on the boxy side of affairs. That "waving" flag caught me offguard by how clever it was, though.
I appreciate this style of map but I think the layout, and the gameplay, was too compartmentalized - would have been nicer if there was more connectivity and interaction between all the discrete buildings, as well as some Zendar-like big showdown in the main courtyard.
PS On Map 3.
That one lava trap was just straight up nasty, proper 1998 design.
And Map 4.
Lol 120MB demo, I guess Quake didn't like the fact that I paused the game and left it running for about two hours.
Easily my favorite map so far, the closest to the episode's "vanilla feel" with a nice layout and interesting, loopy progression - a nice change of pace since the last two maps were good albeit quite hard on backtracking. I especially liked the mixture of the map unfolding before me with extending bridges and receding walls, and just getting to explore older areas from another angle.
I haven't died in this one, but I felt like this one was the most action packed and dangerous, with some sections being pretty scary at first sight (you know which ones). The spikeshooter section was great fun, always love it when you can turn the traps against their makers.
The secrets were plentiful, and one in particular was very satisfying (+ rewarding) to figure out. I only got 7 in the demo, but I'd already gone back and figured out the remaining two.
Very well designed, and lots of fun.
Quadruple Post Extravaganza.
Adding onto the above: I think what made map 4 tick so well for me is that it got the sense of scale right, in a way the previous three maps did not necessarily. Map 2 in particular kind of suffered from being vast and open, while utilising little of the real estate it had claimed for itself, and map 3 was lots of tall buildings with quite simple architecture.
Nightmare Difficulty Bug (vkQuake)
The entry for the Nightmare difficulty seems to be not working correct in vkQuake (1.04.1). I found the entrance and when I enter it it puts me back at the start of "Toward the Within". Picking any other difficulty like hard puts me at the start of the next map "Called to Muster".
Please forget what I wrote. I took the wrong turn when entering the area with the Nightmare difficulty because it's late and reading is hard XD. It works as intended.
Is EOE and the improved monster models compatible with each other?
If you are referring to the authentic model pack that NightFright updates, then yes, it is compatible; however, a some models might be overridden. Like Copper, EoE has a few model enhancements, but they adhere to the vanilla appearance (barely noticeable to most players).
Regardless, the gameplay will be absolutely unaffected. Have fun! :)
Thoroughly, thoroughly enjoying this one.
Great work everyone.
I want to add that it's not a problem if you want: to experiment and try non-standard things with Quake and custom maps/mods
The problem is you come here and complain to the authors like they're doing something wrong for not catering to your every whim.
SOLUTION: Learn how to map. Get the map source and the author's permission and port the map to AD!
Thank you @onetruepurple and @ankh for the demos- I watched them and enjoyed the playthrough and the comments!
Also To Barnak
When you complain about something, you need to have backup that doesn't make you sound whiny too. A couple years ago, I complained about how behind Quake was in comparison to other games when it came to modding (Quake's mapping is and still remains top notice.) But the reason my complaints seemed to hit the target was because they were legitimate. This year in particular has seen a massive leap in manipulating the engine to do things not done before.
Which makes Epochs of Enmity and future well-done projects of this nature: going back to basics and showing a product like this makes it all the more impressive when they appear. I don't have much to say about the separate maps, but the fact of the matter is this was an ID1 episode through and through.
Just checked, the models pack is not compatible, it breaks the teleport after "wake up ranger"
Can't believe how much quality stuff has been pouring in for the last month!
Thanks to everyone involved for this highly enjoyable, nostalgic episode. Of course, it varies greatly in build and play style from map to map - still, the overall feeling is spot on.
Markie's slick, fine-tuned and tasty gibfest at the end steals the show. JPal's citadel has an atmosphere like the emerging greats around 2000. Rhoq's moldy blocks could very well be an id map. Others has nice things going for them too - I liked all of 'em in their own right. Kudos for the custom soundtrack and progs touches.
Just wondering about Downfire's filename though (eoem13). Shouldn't it be 10? Or 12, counting the start and end maps? Is some content cut from the final release? Also, wouldn't it be better if the player is spawned facing the initial hall at the start map, rather than staring at the darkness?
- QS 0.93.2 / protocol 666 / skill 2.
Called to Muster: 17m - 9/9s
Tombs of Omega: 26m - 3/4s
Knight on the Town: 16m - 6/6s
The Augur's Mold: 26m - 8/9s
The Citadel of Twilight: 29m - 4/6s
Downfire: 09m - 1/4s
Knavel Orange: 12m - 1/3s
Bunker of Barzai: 17m - 7/8s
Obliteration Domain: 15m - 4/5s
Terrorcotta: 29m - 9/10s
"(...) manipulating the engine to do things not done before."
This is interesting. Do you have specific examples? As a mere consumer of Quake maps, the distinction between "just a brilliant new idea" and one that requires new tools or tweaks (or new engines) is not at all clear to me, apart from the obvious case of insanely large maps.
(I'm well aware this is off-topic, so this thread might be a more appropriate venue: https://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61742
Unless I missed some major announcement, that's almost certainly hyperbole.
Is it intentional that the eclipse in the start map skybox spells out ƎOE?
Meanwhile, maps 5, 5½, and 6:
Just as good as the previous map. Better in some aspects: the visuals are really good - probably the first large scale map in this episode that looks like it has earned its size. Unlike some earlier maps, this one has both great vistas and good fiddly details (I loved those cute custom-made flame braziers) in a good proportion.
The beginning was a lot like a reimagined (AD_)E2M2, but it maintained its own identity throughout. Easily the most vertical map of the lot so far - I had a kick every time a lift required me to shoot a button, using shootables for progression is something id1 did a lot must modern maps don't, which is kind of a shame. Generally this map was the one with the strongest sense of place so far.
However, in some aspects it's a bit of a step down from map 4 - starting with the weapons from the previous four (and over 80 rockets to boot) I've found this one to be by far the easiest map. I imagine it's probably tougher from shotgun start. I enjoyed it (some very satisfying setups) but I don't think I was ever in major danger on skill 2. That ending area could easily have housed ten times as many monsters and it did and it would have been a fantastic finale - though I realise there were specific guidelines to follow.
The one major complaint I would have to make is the progression was a little weird at times. I didn't even realise the SK door was the SK door, since the symbols were blocked by bars (why block a key door behind bars?) - sure, that one's on me. But apparently there's no way to even access the room with the GK door before getting the Gold Key itself - it's a little thing but it's kind of questionable design, and a little sloppy after the very well crafted map 4.
I think you also gave qbsp and vis a much harder time that necessary, with some straight up unneccessary unaccessible areas. I would be very surprised if this map needed to be bsp2 at all (this goes for all maps so far, to be fair).
However, it's still a really good effort, and a very solid map on its own. The first one I got 100% kills and secrets on too!
To be continued...
RIP to my 80+ rockets. This one was basically a Doom map in disguise, what with hordes of weak hitscanners and plenty of explosives.
Essentially a speedmap with a fun gimmick, and some interesting texture choices - not too sold on the deal with the holographic floor, but everything else looked okay.
This map kind of feels like it was an afterthought in the grand scheme of things, since it's so small and so easy to find. But maybe it's a nice change of pace to have the secret level be just a small bonus rather than a huge AAA map, if people are bound to miss it.
The difficulty spike is real. I lost (read: forgot to record at all) my first attempt through it, which is sad since it was a mad run through a mad map. The highlight is obviously the lava pit and the massive carnage therein: it's rare when Quake lets you go full ham with the Quad and the Pent at once, and moreso when it still remains a challenge - but interestingly, it was more of a race against time, since you're on a tight timelimit and the monsters keep coming. (All those decino videos are paying off in spades.)
The layout wasn't the most interesting, basically a variation on the small-hub-with-big-areas-branching-off approach - which is fine, but again like in map 3, I found myself wishing for more interaction between each of the discrete areas. Would also be nice if more was done to break up the symmetry in each area (map 5 did this very well), but I also understand this had to be quickly finished for reasons :(
All in all, a decent map. You woolly twink. ;-)
That ending area could easily have housed ten times as many monsters and it did
as it did
Map 5 Demo
And Map 6 And 7
I enjoyed the various themes presented in this episode, it kept things feeling fresh. I didn't find the secret level legitimately but played through it nonetheless. Fantastic work by all!
Full playthrough, hard skill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTzjP4LlCXI
I liked this map the best from the whole pack. Great atmosphere. Scary and beautiful.
I don't have a demo for map 9. Stopped recording after dying for 5th time.
Decent map, though kind of weird to include a map that was already released several months ago in the middle of an episode of brand new content.
Competently made (for a first release) though I'll never be a big fan of mixing base and runic themes, personally.
Could probably have done with a better layout and more texture cohesion. I'm a fan of mixing multiple wads but this one felt like throwing the kitchen sink at TB, sort of.
I did enjoy the back to back Quad rampages though :-)
This one gets big points for the atmosphere, even if the build quality is just "okay". Those huge, dark chambers with lava were a great visual, fitting for a penultimate map of an episode. Some more care could have gone into the colored lighting, though, as you ran into the same problem as somebody else did 10 years ago: https://kneedeepinthedoomed.wordpress.com/2010/11/07/orange-light-green-walls-far-out-experiences-with-colored-light/
I liked the emphasis on traps in this one, a nice change of pace after lots of regular combat. That one particular "long crusher" was definitely an example of the lateral thinking that I would expect from the author, very happy to see this kind of out-of-the-box approach again after it kind of died in the late 00's.
The layout might not have been the most interesting (lots of corridors) but progression was logical, and varied enough to not get me bored. I found the ending a little unsatisfying though, even though the idea was definitely good - I was able to funnel the vast majority of the DKs onto the tight catwalks and pick at them from away with the RL. Probably worth exploring this kind of thing with a differently built finale.
Good map overall.
Thought I had replied. Valid critique tbh, map ended up being a collab due to time constraints but was started by myself. I was under the impression I could knock out a map on a smaller scale but as usual I needed help :-/
I have a lot of maps on the slow burn that I am trying to complete but they will take a while to finish (one in particular is coming together nicely though but may slip to 2021).
As for the map itself it was originally going to be a little less linear, the final ending area was going to be in the church and the well was going to be a teleport to the rooftop for a secret Quad fight.
I still like how it turned out overall and I appreciate Greenwood helping me get it done.
My Hard Blind Contribution
I made a blind video of the episode on Hard difficulty: https://youtu.be/336YTaFMKkM
; Secret map was found but was not played.
Good job everyone for this ♥ ! The first maps are just beautiful. Only Bunker of Barzai made me slightly disappointed, as it was quite a bit of a constrast with the different maps, being way some squary and simple than the rest.
Obliteration Domain however was definitely that one map that made me shat my pants several time, especially at the beginning. That was a really fun experience.
Music Issues (?)
I have played through the first two maps now and did not hear any music playing. Is this intended or what's going on? Using Quakespasm-Spiked (x64 build from Oct 17, 2020).
Disregard Previous Post
Just found out CVAR bgm_extmusic was set to 0 for some reason. Facepalm.
I'm stuck on Bunker of Barzai. I watched the youtube video posted by Orl, the problem is that after I enter the room that is closed by the gold key I kill all the enemies, I get only one more to go, but there's no monsters left, so the platform to the room bellow is not opening :( I'm playing on easy, so probably the monster is missing there, kinda disappointing. Any ideas, except cheating?
Holy Cow! You found an issue that I didn't notice, since very few folks play on easy. That's entirely my fault. I overlooked a trigger_counter sequence when creating that particular skill level for that map.
Here is a fix that should solve the problem. Drop the "maps" folder in your EoE install folder and you should be good to go. You will probably have to restart that level by typing "map eoem7" in the console, or load a save point prior, for it to work. I apologize for the hiccup. Easy playtesters are hard to find. :)
Greenwood, thanks, I'll try it. No need to apologize, it's a great episode for Quake and it's free :)
I'll focus on what I really liked:
The music throughout. Excellent ambience.
Map 4 - “The Augur’s Mold” by Rhoq. Very old school and vanilla like. Really nice.
Map 6 - “Knavel Orange” by Fairweather & Greenwood. Just beautiful.
Map 9 - “Terrorcotta” by Markie Music. Yet another masterpiece by Markie. Some really neat secrets as well.
Overall a very fun and varied episode.
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