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Gaming Laptops??
Personal question but also starting this as a general discussion thread...

Is this a remotely feasible idea??

Quite into downsizing at the moment and having something I can easily transport to other cribz.

Okay so you get a lot less bang for your Euro with a laptop and really if I was using it a lot at Chez Smabhles I'd be keeping my monitor and probably KB too to plug into it.

OTOH I'm still on a 2010 i3 with 6 GB Ram and a GTX 660 2GB. And pretty happy with what I can currently play. A typical gaming laptop would be a fair step up from that, something like this:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-GE72-Apache-Pro-001-HID1/dp/B015VKC2W2/ref=pd_cp_147_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=0Q75SHS2G8JV75KYWDXJ

Or maybe cheaper:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B015OG3SAS/ref=psdc_429886031_t2_B015VKC2W2

Obviously upgrading is harder etc etc. Although I've hardly upgraded my desktop in the last 6 years.

Thoughts? Any experiences with laptop gaming? Any general ideas / theories?
I Found This Interesting 
http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-blade

Ultraportable notebook with external high powered GPU that you can leave at home. Only snag: The external GPU isn't available yet. But the idea is nice. 
Ah Crap 
<- 
I have a laptop that I can easily play many games on I still stick to less demanding games because everytime I don't shit gets really hot. I don't mind the temperature but I believe it reduces the lifetime of the parts (capacitators and such).

I've never seen a laptop that doesn't have the problem since they all are so tightly packed. 
 
Meh. Alienware laptop, 2014 I think? Anyway, cool as a cucumber 100% of the time. Never breaks a sweat. Mind, the heaviest thing I play on it is Skyrim. 
Kinn Is That Ur Normal Rig? 
And if so, why did you go for a laptop? 
Sleepy. 
That is interesting, there is already a version of that by another manufacturer out I think.

Still, 12" screen as default (and presumably tiny KB to match), means you're going to need a monitor for actual gaming, as well as the kb and seperate GB, suddenly it's all seeming a bit desktop sized!! 
True 
 
Personally For Gaming, I'd Go Desktop. 
As others stated, laptops especially running today's games can get rather hot. I am a bit biased with my full tower I suppose ;).

Regardless if I move into a one room apartment, I'd always make room for the desktop/monitor.

Good luck! 
 
I've had laptops for a few years now and I now have a full desktop. I can't see myself going back to the laptop any time soon. 
 
Kinn Is That Ur Normal Rig?

Yes.

And if so, why did you go for a laptop?

I am fairly mobile and need to be able to work from anywhere.

However, even I didn't need to be mobile, I would still have gone for a laptop because it takes up much less room, and it's nice to work in the kitchen sometimes - the bedroom other times....etc. 
So The General Conclusion Is: 
They can run a bit hot and have all the obvious detriments, but there is no real mystery to the concept?? 
Another Look 
http://www.amazon.co.uk/EVGA-GeForce-Superclocked-Cooling-Graphics/dp/B00NSXYEQW/ref=sr_1_3?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1456915903&sr=1-3&keywords=gtx+970

Could throw that video card into your current i3 and see a pretty decent step-up. Your current CPU could bottleneck so that's a consideration as well.

The major thing I dislike about laptop gaming is the lack of upgrade functionality so if you do opt for the laptop, you should pay the pretty price to get the best parts inside the mobile rig in my opinion. 
Moveability! 
I switched from desktop to laptop 8 years ago and have never looked back! I find a laptop useful because I move/travel a lot and don't want to carry around a large amount of equipment anymore. I just stick my laptop in my backpack and I am ready to go.

There are a couple of things you can upgrade with laptops, like memory (8Gb) and HD (250Gb). The rest of the laptop is just a blob and impossible to upgrade. I have been using solid states drives for 5 years, but never ever buy an intel SSD, they are worthless trash and will crash all the time.

I highly recommend you get some kind of warranty, things to do break and go wrong. Make sure you find a laptop with a good hard case that can withstand some knocks, accidents do happen.

Make sure you get a laptop with plenty of ports, a couple of USB, a SD card reader (for cameras), HDMI/VGA for ext monitor/tv and dvd drive for installation. When you get the laptop, always create your software install disks (there is an option), you never know when you might have to re-install windows again!

Even though its called a laptop, only a fool would actually use it on their lap/legs! The heat from any laptop will easily cook most skin, I just use the laptop on a table or even on the sofa.

I can run plenty of games, probably not cutting edge stuff, but I also have 2 consoles for other titles (some exclusive) so its not like I am never playing games. You can also plug your laptop into most TV sets or even get a special monitor/keyboard if you want.

Laptops are damn good hardware nowadays and most people change their computers every 4-5 years anyway. The upgrading thing is just a fools game, I know, I did it for 15 years! 
 
The moment when I switched from laptop to desktop was the biggest mistake in my life. I supposed that I would stop moving a lot back then. I can say that moving full tower from city to city sucks. Will switch back to laptop as main workstation in future. 
Top Post Sock :) 
10/10 A+++ would read again.

So as expensive as they are, the best advice is go even more expensive to make them futureproof as they can't be upgraded. Fair enough.

And nah this wouldn't be on legs ... 
 
On the other hand, PCs no longer have to be big. My home server would fit in a 12" cube with room to spare. It holds five 3.5" drives. The PC in my lab is attached to the back of the monitor. It cost less than $200 to build. Neither are gaming machines, but it's certainly possible to build a small machine for gaming these days, if that's what you need.

Laptops/notebooks are pretty much the only choice if you absolutely have to go mobile, but have a lot of limitations/drawbacks because of that requirement. 
Good Point. 
But I'm liking the idea of true portability.

Although, thinking of future-proofing, laptops with GTX 980M cards don't come cheap at all :O

OTOH, desktop 980 cards are �420 on their own... 
Yes, This Is It... 
http://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-GT80S-6QE-Titan-002-HID4/dp/B017XJAVBS/ref=sr_1_19?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1456999048&sr=1-19&keywords=msi+laptop+980m

Pretty sure I've seen an old 2nd hand rolls royce on Autotrader for cheaper...

One thing though, keyboard position on those titans is where it's at. 
As Far As Laptops Go 
That is one kicking machine. If you got the funds and want the best of the best in mobile gaming...there it be.

If you don't want the max of every game to come out, you could always go a little lower...like a single gpu or an i5 cpu as opposed to an i7. If you are just gaming, I don't see the need for an i7 personally.

Another thing to consider is 18.4" required? Since you are in the mindset of mobility 18.4" is a pretty large portable laptop! Even going 17" would see a decrease in price and a lot more friendly to move device.

Again, just poking from all sides! 
Yeah For Sure That Is Just Pipe Dream Shizzle. 
The only thing I really see the personal benefit of for that is the keyboard position.

Looking at Amazon, I can't see getting a decent machine WITHOUT getting an i7. And yeah 17" display is much more sensible.

It seems the main sticking point is getting a GTX980m in without crazy ��� - that's the most future-proofing aspect. 
True 
That is probably right in terms of the i7 thing. Since those laptops are marketed as gaming premium, they tote the i7. It's just a bit overkill but i7 is certainly good stuff!

I think 980m is a good call since I am pretty certain that Maxwell cards support DX12 which is the "future proof" you are desiring. Good luck with whatever you pick, I don't think you will be disappointed either way! 
 
A shame there has not been a proper effort for standardized external GPU options for laptops.

USB3 isnt good enough for external GPU either apparently.


On a side note towers are pretty cool nowadays with virtualisation and PCI passthrough :D
Ludicrous CPU cores and RAM these days make a reasonable priced system perfectly good for running 2 PC's from one tower, just need 2 GPU's and your good to go. 
Whatever I Pick... 
...will currently be nothing at those prices, but it's useful to get ideas. 
Tablets 
I've actually gotten tired of computers in general. Both Windows and Mac OS are no longer user friendly. I'm finding that Android is very usable and with a tablet I don't need to bother with all the extra accessories one needs for even a laptop. I have the one device and I'm set. Adding a portable Bluetooth speaker for movies or music cures the problem of usually weak built-in speakers. 
 
Can you map on a tablet? What about Photoshop, 3D modelling, etc? 
Adib 
I made a lot of my maps on a surface pro tablet. 
5th 
Good to know. Warren was asking Xaerox for tablet support for Jackhammer. I thought none of these tools worked on mobile OSs. 
Adib 
surface pro uses the desktop version of windows as its OS. I also map using trenchbroom. 
Shambler 
I don't know to what extent you want portability but that unit in #18 weighs 4.5 kilos without the PSU.

Of course, in terms of taking it from the house to the car, and then from the car into someone else's house, that's OK.

But as an aside, I bought a 17.5 inch i7 HP laptop with portability in mind because I was doing a lot of travelling. I couldn't risk putting it in hold-luggage, and besides which it took 3.7 kilos of allowance, so carried it hand luggage all the time. I also carried my camera equipment...

It wasn't long before I was wishing for some weight relief, and actually started packing my lenses in hold luggage (the tripod was already there) to give my shoulders some relief. In its bag it also is quite bulky.

Moral of the story; I now use a Lenovo Yoga 700 14" i7 2-in-1 when travelling, and accept that the really heavy graphics stuff has to wait until I get home.

And the HP? Well, after several years of serious graphics use it started giving BSODs. I re-cooked the motherboard twice, but decided against a third cooking and took it to the local skip not long ago. But it lasted four years so not bad. 
Mike. 
It's more the �3k+ price tag that's putting me off ;).

Useful advice though, it depends whether one wants "much better than desktop portability" or "true lightweight use anywhere laptop portability"... 
Laptop 
Make sure the keyboard doesn't feel like walking in a swamp. 
Which Is The Main Appeal Of The 3k Behemoth Above. 
 
So... 
....here's a thing. Pondering general PC replacement using my own PC company as a choice.

Gaming laptop:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-GE72-Apache-Pro-001-HID1/dp/B015VKC2W2/ref=pd_cp_147_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=0Q75SHS2G8JV75KYWDXJ

�1260

Basic OCUK gaming desktop:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/ocuk-kinetic-z1-intel-z170-configurable-skylake-ddr4-gaming-pc-fs-153-og.html#t=b7d2e,f8g0h0j0

Spec it up to similar to laptop by adding:
i7 processor (n.b. overclocked in desktop)
16gb ram
120gb SSD
1TB HDD
MSI GTX970 (n.b. 4gb in desktop, 3gb in laptop)
DVD drive
Win 10

�1010


Unless I've missed something glaringly obvious (apart from upgrade potential of course), that's not a huge difference for getting laptop portability?? 
Something To Consider 
The video card is the mobile version of the 970 (970m) so it does have altered specs versus the regular 970.

I don't think you will be miffed either way. 
Core Question We Are Missing Here... 
What exactly are the kind of games you will be playing? We need to have some idea of what kind of power you need. Source games can run on absolute shit, but UE4 and Unity need some more juice to run properly. 
The Same Ones I'd Play On A Desktop?? 
 
I Mean Like A List. 
 
A List 
- The Same Ones I'd Play On A Desktop?? 
Errrr Well. 
Some, all, or none of the following:

Total Warhammer
Battlefleet Gothic
Doom 4
Dark Souls 3 if it's a proper port
Cyberpunk 2077
Tomb Raider 2015
Mordheim
XCom2
Dishonoured2
Solus Project

etc? 
If It Is Just 1080p 
You will be fine with the laptop. It appears you are favoring mobility as a pro as well so I would say grab the laptop that has a 970M bundled. 
Yeah. 
Other option is to look for a MSI GT series that has the MXM graphics card upgrade option for the future (since from what I understand, RAM is an easy upgrade and i7 CPUs are good enough to never be a bottleneck for games), but a brief search shows the GT series to be expensive and usually coming with a 970M anyway....

Incidentally, what other games would one be future-proofing for?? 
Okay So.... 
Emailed the seller about this:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B015Q30K46/ref=olp_page_2?ie=UTF8&mv_style_name=1&startIndex=10

And got a reply:

Thanks for your enquiry - MSI GT72S 6QE(Dominator Pro G)-047UK 17.3" i7-6700HQ is Brand New, original box, sealed, never used not scratches or any problems, comes in the manufacturer packaging with 1 Year MSI full warranty and all manufacturer supplied accessories. The total price is �891.00 + �9.00 for shipping (3 - 5 business days).

If you want to buy, please confirm your full name and shipping address and I will place an order for you; and then you receive the order confirmation from Amazon with all details about the next steps to complete your purchase.

Return policy is full money back or replace the product, you can return it for any reason at all within 30 days.


What am I missing here?? Gonna reply and ask again why price is so low.... 
 
What am I missing here?? Gonna reply and ask again why price is so low....

it's nicked innit m8 
Yikes 
Only thing is the seller has non-existent ratings but like 1 in the past 12 months? Always a little wary of that type of stuff.

Can't imagine the laptop being unpacked would cause such a low price but if it is through Amazon and as money back guarantee...it's a pretty crazy deal!

980M to boot! 
Woops 
Looked at the slightly more expensive one. It is a bit fishy for the 891 one.. 
BB. 
Not sure how well that link works, but I am referring to the "used" ones by NovaShopping... 
Bottom Of This Page... 
Scam. 
Seller disappeared as did all the products. Useful reminder to be wary. 
There Ya Go 
Looked way too cheap, I am wary of low seller feedback. 
25% Off Legit... 
Only Thing Is The 960 
The only iff would be the 960M as opposed to the 970/980. It's certainly less powerful than the 970 and has less video memory (Going to assume 2GB instead of 4GB) but you also get the TB + 128GB SSD combo which is nice. Having a SSD really helps on the Operating System side.

You'll never utilize 16GB of RAM so that's a nice position to be in. For the money, and that it is legit I would say you won't be disappointed but just be aware that you might not be able to fully max out everything at 1080p. I think this would only concern the absolute most demanding games however.

Good luck with whatver you decide to do! 
Only Thing Is The 960 
The only iff would be the 960M as opposed to the 970/980. It's certainly less powerful than the 970 and has less video memory (Going to assume 2GB instead of 4GB) but you also get the TB + 128GB SSD combo which is nice. Having a SSD really helps on the Operating System side.

You'll never utilize 16GB of RAM so that's a nice position to be in. For the money, and that it is legit I would say you won't be disappointed but just be aware that you might not be able to fully max out everything at 1080p. I think this would only concern the absolute most demanding games however.

Good luck with whatver you decide to do! 
Yeah. 
So far holding out to see if a 970 version goes on offer. 
Also To Triple Post 
Because that last one was double posted for some reason.

When I say max out I mean play with the highest visual settings and still maintain a consistent 60FPS. 
So.... 
Back to the upgradeable GT72 series...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-GT72-6QD-Dominator-019-HID1/dp/B015V38SJA/ref=sr_1_7?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1459844159&sr=1-7&keywords=msi+gt72+-titan

Quite pricey obviously but I have been looking into it and the GPU is definitely upgradeable. However the next gen Nvidia mobile GPU, 990m, won't be available as an upgrade. So future-proofing would either be upgrading from 970m to 980m at some point (which is an expensive upgrade, 980m 8gbs are currently �600 - BUT then again, 980 desktop 8gbs are pushing �500), or if the 970m lasts long enough (it might, I'm not a framerate dweebwhore), then waiting to see if what comes AFTER the 990m is available as an upgrade.

This is presuming i7 / 16gb ram lasts me a long time which I'm sure it will.

TBH the GT72 is not much pricier than similar spec non-GT MSI models, so maybe it is worth it to have the upgrade option.... 
Hmm 
I wouldn't upgrade from 970M to 980M whenever that time would come. This is why I personally prefer a desktop when it comes to running games. Again, at 1080p/60fps I think you will be pretty content with a 970M. That should hold you for a good long while.

Be careful though, it is easy to become a dweebwhore about framerates when you can consistently achieve them in everything you play. I know I am spoiled from using a 100hz monitor.

Don't go lower than a 970M (If it does go lower for laptop standalone cards?) but don't invest too much into "future-proofing" when it comes to buying a laptop. Heck it's tough to really future-proof for anything considering the advances of technology.

Bottom line again, you'll be happy with a 970M purchase. 
Well.... 
The cheapest MSI 970m with 128 SSD and DVDR (which I want, SC2 LOTV taking 3 days to load up each mission is making me see the value in an SSD, and I need to have a DVDR to make CDs for the car, cheaper than upgrading car stereo to MP3 ;)) on amazon is �1260.

The cheapest MSI 970m GT72 upgradeable version is, errr, �1276

0_o 
Well Well Well 
If the only difference for that small price increase is the upgrade-ability...then definitely go for that. No brainer on that one.

Yes, SSD is highly recommended even just for the Operating System to run on. Placing a few of your favorite or currently played games on the SSD is another idea. 
Okay So After 3 Months Of Deliberation, I Went For: 
http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/9S7-178211-048-MSI-GT72-6QD(Dominator-G)-048UK_1837457.html

Intel Core i7-6700HQ Quad Core Processor
17.3" Full HD Screen with Wide View Angle
Microsoft Windows 10 Home 64-bit
16GB DDR4 RAM
128GB SSD PCI-e + 1000GB 7200RPM HDD
DVD Rewriter
Dedicated GeForce GTX 970M 6GB Graphics
USB3 | HDMI | Bluetooth | DisplayPort | G-Sync

With the intention to upgrade to a 980M or better in 3-4 years time. Maybe add another SSD if needed.

So far:

Cons:
- It's probably heavier than my desktop tower despite being 1/3 the size.
- Keyboard is cramped.
- Win 10 is butt-ugly compared to Win7 Aero.
- Stuff still doesn't load that quick despite RAM + SSD.
- SSD gets full pretty quick given 50 GB is reserved for OS and games are fucking massive these days.
- DVDR drive seems to flick open even if you just look at it.

Pros:
+ Really quiet under normal usage.
+ Build quality feels good.
+ Screen is super-crisp.
+ Audio settings are good (and onboard sound is okay).
+ Works smoothly with peripherals connected.
+ Runs early areas of DOOM4 on High settings with no slowdowns (may change in later areas).
+ Runs the slow-loading / chugging areas of DS3 (Lothric Castle and Dancer bonfire which took 20 seconds of chugging to load on low settings on old PC) flawlessly on Max settings.
+ Wifi connector is at least as fast as old PC's direct ethernet connection to router.
+ Boots quickly.
+ Came with almost no fuckware apart from Norton.

So far so good I guess! 
You'll Be Happy 
Once you burn it in and get used to it you will be pretty content with what you purchased, that is a pretty nice portable machine you got there.

I don't think you will upgrade to a 980M in a few years. By that time, there will be so much newer advances it is hard to tell what we will have! If anything I'd be satisfied with the 970M until you are ready for a new machine since you are running at 1080p. Your 970M will carry you for many years to come comfortably.

Congrats! 
Still Working Well. 
Even tho Win 10 update tried to break lots of things.

Been away with it sans peripherals execept mouse, still good to game on. Doom4, Quake, Battlefleet Gothic.....covers a fair spectrum. Actually got a fuckton of games on it!!

Had to disable G-Sync tho as you need to tweak the bios to do that and I can't be fucked. New Nahimic update means the onboard sound has better options and I don't use headphones that often at the mo. 
 
wut 
Wut Is The Word. 
Okay so they made an outrageous spec uber heavy 9 grand laptop. I guess it is kinda amusing in an OTT sort of way. And that's about all it's good for. Also I don't really like the extra wide curved screen anyway. Derp. 
Agreed 
If I want a laptop, I'm not getting this. If I want a desktop, I'm not getting this either. It's neat, but too niche. 
You Guys Don't Get It 
This one goes up to 11! 
And That Is Exactly It. 
The MSI Titan 18" was pompous enough but at 18" still kinda portable and at <�4000 still kinda affordable if you're fucking loaded. There comes a point of diminishing returns and diminishing common sense and it's some way before the Acer monstrosity. 
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