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Updated Q1SP MOD - Arcane Dimensions 1.7.1 *PATCHED*
Sock has been beavering away behind the scenes to get a fully updated tweaked fixed and finalised version of AD. So here it is. One point SEVEN.

Download (220mb):
http://www.simonoc.com/files/ad/ad_v1_70final.zip

V1.7.1 Patch (see recent post below):
http://www.simonoc.com/files/ad/ad_v1_70patch1.zip


Readme:
http://www.simonoc.com/files/ad/ad_v1_70_readme.txt

Recommended Quakespasm 0.93:
http://quakespasm.sourceforge.net/download.htm

Past versions etc:
http://www.simonoc.com/pages/design/sp/ad.htm

In his own words:
"The AD zip file is getting a bit big and inconvenient to download and I think its time to start splitting stuff off into separate files. The AD map source files are not needed or viewed much and if anyone wants to see them, just drop me an email request.

This download contains all the previous maps, some new extra code and features, lots of bug fixes, some new mapper features (check documentation) and as a final bonus, a couple of extra maps hidden away in the main map hubs, good hunting!"


Screenshots:
http://www.simonoc.com/files/ad/ad_17_finish1.jpg
http://www.simonoc.com/files/ad/ad_17_finish2.jpg
http://www.simonoc.com/files/ad/ad_17_finish3.jpg
http://www.simonoc.com/files/ad/ad_17_finish4.jpg
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@ Ericw 
yeah, i figured :) 
10 Out Of 10 Secrets In Horde Of Zendar! 
i can retire happy now :)

colour me sozzled! 
@Lo Frag Traff 
Umm... try 100% secrets on Forgotten Sepulcher now... I double-dog-dare ya! 
@dumptruck_ds 
So cruel :-P 
Ad_e2m2 Demo 
skill 3 demo for updated version of ad_e2m2

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CFFpwr12GnuU-XpAatCcRE9Yz7rPe0m4/view?usp=sharing

one of the greatest remakes ever. a huge kudos to sock

96/96 kills
9 out of 10 secrets found 
A Note To Others 
Spy's demos are pretty entertaining if you haven't caught them I highly recommend a view. Haven't watched this one but will do once everyone in RL stops bugging me. 
Enhanced Ad_quake.fgd 
http://quaketastic.com/files/misc/ad_quake_fgd.zip

This is heavily modified and may only work properly in TB1/2.

Most entities that allow you to supply a model will now display the model you choose. Most of them will switch skins. Most monsters will switch skins as well. It was hard to provided for every scenario. For example, zombies with a custom skin will display the default skin if they are also Crucified/On Floor. Keys wont switch models based on worldtype(but they will if you supply a new skin under exactskin), theyll only stay as medieval keys..etc...

This also includes lots of things the current .fgd lacks like boglords and swamplings. Enjoy! 
1.7 BUMP. 
 
Kinda Disagree With 
The AD map source files are not needed or viewed much

It's always handy to look at some things, the logic_gates and so on

congrats the AD team and happy NY 
Totally Didn't Expect To See This 
What a nice gift for New Year! 
Date Of First Message 
Why is the date of the first message is 2016/12/04 ? Should be 2017/12/31 instead. 
Awesome 
Shall I delete the previous install or can I just unzip (ooh-err) on top of it? 
 
Nice work on the FGD, Mukor! Super useful.

A question for the group ...

Is there a way to launch AD without having the menu pop up? Like, in working a level, I'm constantly having to launch the game and then hit ESCAPE before I can actually play.

Is there a way to just launch straight into gameplay using +map? 
1.7 Map Reviews 
Hey Sock.

ac_ad: While I still need to play the original map to get some further perspective, I'll give a few comments anyway regarding how I feel about it.

The geometry was excellent, and had a very clean feel. It didn't feel very sock-ish, but I wonder if that was a homage to the original map. The button find was enjoyable for the most part and I didn't feel like any were too crazy out of the way.

There was one portion underwater where the player runs out of air fairly easily. I didn't notice an envirosuit either, so it's kind of awkward as a gameplay mechanic, especially if the player is traversing over it multiple times looking for the buttons.

*spoilers incoming*

In terms of gameplay, the pre and post button find secret enemies lead to a very different gameplay experience. The first half being far more cautious, and the base enemies were far more "run and gun". I played on nightmare and felt that it was maybe a touch too easy. In the end I gave up hunting down all the enemies because the map is so big and maze like that it was difficult to find them all. I think I had maybe eight left when I exited the level.

If I were to suggest an improvement it would be to close off portions of the map when you open up the button find secret, so that when the base enemies spawn the player can be directed to them better. Now having said all this, I thoroughly enjoyed the map.

s1m1: A really nice little homage / remix of e1m1. It was nice to see your take on the iconic stuff we all know so well. Good job keeping the secrets so similar in feel to the originals too. Gameplay was nice, and had a very faithful vibe. It was nice to see a bite sized map come from you, it was a pleasant change :)

Again, some great releases. Thanks for keeping working on this, even though you keep saying that it's finished and won't be worked on again XD 
 
I guess a workaround is just to leave Quakespasm running and bind a key to "restart" ... seems to work, and faster than restarting the engine from scratch. 
Bug? 
Is this a bug?

My AD folder is called "ad", and is placed inside the same folder containing all my other mods.

When I launch QS with the command "-game ad", it doesn't load the AD mod, and gives the default ID instead. Selecting the AD mod from within the QS MODS menu shows the name "ad. 7". (what is happening here!?).

If I call my AD folder as "ad1.7", then using the command "-game ad1.7" works fine.

What is happening here?

Something is fishy with the AD name and/or version number. 
FYI 
There is an article about Arcane Dimensions on the new (US) PC Gamer. 
Yay! 
More AD goodness. Here is 100% Arcane Adamantine demo. Skill 2, first run, its a little long:
http://www.quaketastic.com/files/demos/redfield_adac.zip 
Great Release! 
@WarrenMarshallBiz,
I removed startup menu by commenting out line in quake.rc containing "menu_main" command. 
 
Ah nice, didn't even think of that. Thx! 
Pro-tip 
[12:54] Shambler: new ad base map is not hangar 16 is it??
[12:54] SimonOC: @Shambler no, you want ad_s1m1
[12:54] Shambler: right
[12:55] Shambler: or ad_ac
[12:55] Shambler: cool
[12:55] Shambler: and one is in the default start map?
[12:55] onetruepurple: yes
[12:56] SimonOC: ad_s1m1 -> start map, ad_ac -> chapters
[13:02] Shambler: this is awesome
[13:03] Shambler: i have been looking in start map for 10 mins and can't find it
[13:03] onetruepurple: lmao
[13:03] Shambler: ah
[13:03] Shambler: errr
[13:03] Shambler: ummm
[13:03] Shambler: maybe i should download ad 1.7..........................................................................
[13:04] Shambler: SHUT
[13:04] Shambler: UP
[13:04] Shambler: none of your stupid q-whatever smileys 
New Maps. 
http://www.quaketastic.com/files/demos/sham_ad17newmaps.zip

S1M1 - beautiful design, structures and detailing, great execution of Idbase. I felt like it could have done with an extra 50% monsters, there's loads of space and room to move etc, it would still have been quite easy but maybe more satisfying.

ADACABAA - another great design, so much curvature and intricacy. The areas kinda blended into one but when the theme's this strong that's all good, just really consistent meaty Quakecture throughout. Meaty gameplay too, well balanced and fun, start was a teeny bit hard depending on route but later on it was spot on. I failed dismally at secrets.

Two very sweet releases to end the year on :) 
Loving S1M1 
Makes me want a full re-imagining of OG episode one in AD even more now.

First jam of 2018? :P 
 
ADAC: and my car hasn't even broken down, yet!

Very nice remix. Looks amazing of course, and visually a bit more varied than the orginal, at least as far as I remember it. Gameplay was fun and less of a grind thanks to the widow maker and general balance/pacing.
The super secret is still cool. Took me a while to find all the buttons, though. Rewarding base carnage as a bonus; however, my enjoyment of that was lessened by the fact that I already had backtracked through the entire map several times in search for the buttons. The watcher secret is particularly hilarious in this sense, as I could imagine him dying of extreme bordom watching me.

Demo with smooth gameplay up until the end, followed by a skippable search part.

GJ Sockdur 
ADACfuckingsecrets. 
Got 5/6 this time. Demo from a quicksave near the end. The supersecret is fucking dope as fuck :)

http://www.quaketastic.com/files/demos/sham_adacfuckingsecrets.7z 
Ad_quake.FGD 1.7 
Forgot to place it in the zip or are we on our own this time? 
@damage 
I've chatted with Sock about this recently. He doesn't have time to update the FGD for each release. However he does update the .def file which can be used in TB2 and NetRadiant. If you use Trenchbroom you can use that instead. muk0r is most likely updating his FGD eventually, if he hasn't already.

https://twitter.com/muk0r/status/947243275798249472 
@dumptruck_ds 
Thanks for the info. 
Slowly But Surely... 
... I'm working my way thru the last AD .FGD file adding in the new 1.7 .DEF files updates. Along with adding ALL the ericw-tools V0.16 options.

May have some questions soon, but I'll wait until I have it completed and fully functional. There are some things I don't understand yet, so even though they work in the editor it's not clear what you are setting and why!

I will put it up on quaketastic and/or email it to sock when finished. 
 
Are using TB?

Ill have a version out "SOON" with all the epdates as well as making use of TBs ability to switch models depending on what spawnflags or other keys you have set.

Heres a version for AD1.6 that switches out models. This is for TB only, though:

http://quaketastic.com/files/misc/ad_quake_fgd.zip 
 
also, feel free to email me(in my profile) or message me on twitter or discord with questions about .fgds. 
@mukor 
Nah, not Trenchbroom. This will be for JACK.

I put a reference to your FGD for Trenchbroom users at the top of it ;) Since that would be the slickest .FGD to use, gg.

Cool, thanks. Once I get to the point I can't progress will DM you on Discord. 
 
Make sure to include stuff that was left out of the.defs like the new liquidblock (iirc) key, please. :) 
@Pritchard 
Do you mean func_illusionary_visblocker?

But yeah... going thru the tools pages to put everything in. 
@damage_inc 
Also, Daz maintains an fgd for my tools, maybe handy to borrow from:
https://twitter.com/tdDaz/status/893588140560089090 
@ericw 
Yep, I look at that for reference as well, thanks. 
 
No, it's a new key for monsters that was mentioned in the changelog but doesn't appear to be in the .def as far as I can tell. 
LIQBLOCK Is A Spwanflag ;) 
Found in the .DEF

EX: ------- SPAWNFLAGS --------
AMBUSH : the monster will only wake up on seeing the player, not by another monster
LIQBLOCK: Liquid surfaces block wakeup/sight lines 
Spawnflag Even! 
fml, we need post edits, heheh 
 
* Added liquidblock entity key to monsters, blocks sightline through liquids

Line 19 of ad_changelog.txt

Also where in the .def did you find it? Looking at one of the monsters in my map:
https://i.imgur.com/3hpTb0E.png
https://i.imgur.com/z36vgW8.png 
 
monster_eel and monster_fish are the only ones to have that spawnflag.

I see what you are saying now. Reads as if every monster can have the key. Might need to look at the QC to verify. 
In QC Seems It's Just For Fish And Eel 
// Underwater enemies (liquid block option for all of them)
float MON_LIQUIDBLOCK = 4; // Liquids block sightlines (fish/eel)

No other mention on any other monsters. 
 
You can check for yourself if it works using this simple example map I made:

http://www.quaketastic.com/files/misc/liquidblock.zip

If you rise near the surface of the water but do not actually go above it, one of the grunts will activate but the other will not. This is because of the liquidblock key. 
 
That is indeed interesting! Good to know, thanks. 
AD .FGD 1.7 + Ericw-Tools V0.16 Progress 
So far I have these things completed with the latest of everything:

Worldspawn
Light Options: Entities and Bmodels
QBSP Options: Func_(variants)
AD Updates through "FUNCTIONS"

Some parts are ofc tedious, but the cool thing is, I can now "break" things apart. Example: Looking at the properties of a Candle no longer show the properties ONLY relevant to a Light(point entity).

Other little touches like that are used throughout.

So now it's just the actual AD 1.7 updates and then get SOCK to verify/confirm and we're good to go :) 
Bug Or Unwanted Behaviour? 
AD sets EF_TRACER on certain of it's gibs to simulate a green blood trail.

I think it's quite evil to overload an EF_ like that. I'd prefer to see it define a new EF_ instead, so that engines which wish to modify existing effects needn't be concerned about unwanted or unexpected behaviours arising from unintended usage.

I'm just thinking that overloading existing stuff in such a manner is the path to Nehahra. 
 
is there a nightmare pillar in the 1.5 hub at all? I see it carries over from the previous hub, so i'm confused. 
I'd Tell You But... 
shssss.... it's a secret! 
You Have To Walk In To An Area, And Look Where No One Looks 
 
 
I found it by accident as I was falling from above lol. 
 
Is QSS fully compatible with AD? Regular QS (the one linked in this thread) crashes my whole computer after a few minutes.

Is there any way to make fence textures, sprites, particles and GUI graphics (minus conchars) be rendered using 8-bit alpha instead of 1-bit alpha, so their edges are properly smoothed when using texture filtering? 
@mankrip: Nope 
Fence textures use quake palette color 255 as the transparent color when prefix "{" is supplied in the texture name (just like Half-Life).

Sprites and gui graphics are also the 255 color Quake palette (.lmp files, .gfx, etc.) -- just like any standard assets in the entirety of standard Quake. 
Crashing System 
Argh, that is bad. So QSS doesn't crash your system, and regular QS 0.93.0 does?

I think the most likely way to crash the OS is an OpenGL driver bug or QS doing something invalid with OpenGL. Try launching with -noglsl which will restrict it to OpenGL 1.x features, it might work around the problem. What are your GPU / GPU driver version / OS version? 
 
I don't know yet if QSS also crashes, but I want to try it.

I'm using Windows 7 on a Dell N5110 laptop, which has an Intel HD Graphics 3000 chipset.

Maybe the cause is the FSAA which I've enabled recently... the performance was good though. 
#608 
any qss/qs stability difference is more likely to be down to 64bit vs 32bit, or SDL1 vs SDL2.
the only real engine change is that QSS doesn't do the whole glmesh thing, but instead simply always uses vertex arrays instead of glBegin for mdls. This makes md3s easier to support, and fixes potential crashes on large mdls, but also means that bugs are more likely to crash the drivers rather than less...

QSS is meant to be a super-set of QS. pr_checkextension 0 will disable the extensions that AD (safely) checks for, which is the main difference between the two engines.
FTE should also be able to run it, but AD dev tends to focus on QS instead so it should work but its not well tested (eg: you should probably avoid rtlights).

regarding fence textures - alpha blending has issues when it comes to the depth buffer. Technically speaking, a pixel that contains colour info from two+ blended fragments should have two+ separate depth values - but it can't. This results in halos and weirdness and screwed up depth.
This is why we use alpha testing (even with high-res replacement textures) - it might not look the best but its simply more robust.
There are a few order independent transparency techniques, but they're generally slow and overcomplicated. If you've a software renderer that's generating spans then you could make that support overlapping/nested spans or something fancy, but you'd need to use the same logic for everything including mdls and particles. 
 
Disabling FSAA on regular QuakeSpasm seems to have fixed it. 
Good To Hear! 
 
AD 1.7 Patch 1 
* Fixed logic problem with trigger_count and message/message strings
* Fixed trigger_count message problem in ad_ac and ad_sepulcher maps
* Fixed eddict crash in ad_sepulcher by reducing particle setups
* Fixed spelling mistake in ad_chapters for ad_ac portal entrance
* Added missing features (triggers/bbox/explosions) to func_pushable
* Added func_pressureswitch bmodel entity for extra puzzle logic
* Added func_insidevolume to detect player, monster, item & pushables
* Added trigger_doorstate to force func_door entities to open/close state
* Removed invulnerability frames from zombie/zombiek when using shadow axe
* Changed the behaviour of zombie/zombiek to be easier for knockdowns
* Added death message for Gargoyle minions (spawned from minotaurs)
* Moved all player death messages to relevant monster QC files instead
* Fixed brkmondmg entity key on func_breakables to work with projectiles
* Fixed misc_demon not resetting gib model names when switching gib models
* Removed info_stuffcmd as it was open to abuse from malicious mappers
* Added trigger_cdtrack to allow for custom music changes after map load
* Added trigger_skybox to allow for different skybox setups after map load
* Added client check for changed music/skybox to load/quickload functions
* Fixed respawn_time on all items to not instantly spawn, minimum is 1s
* Fixed frozen bug crash for gargoyle/gaunt when waking up from perch/statue
* Fixed monster_firetopboss to cope with skill 3 shambler group attacks!
* Fixed sighttarget to check for health/damage before creating a sight entity
* Added trigger entity state reset to func_button (will override wait value)
* Added Impulse 170 to toggle monster body fade/removal when playing a map
* Fixed player weapon animation issue with idle/fire states being wrong
* Updated DEF file for GTK/Radiant editors with new patch features
* Added FGD file for Jack/Trenchbroom editors by Dan "twitchy" Ellis
* Added V/G models for players weapons from Stas "dwere" Kuznetsov



http://www.simonoc.com/files/ad/ad_v1_70patch1.zip 
Sweet! 
Has anyone done anything with presdure plates yet? I see a good coop opportunity there...and pushables. 
 
Playing through the original first episode of quake after these maps is dissapointing. Even the few of the more fleshed out test maps in Arcane dimensions stand above the episode 1 levels in quake. 
 
I'd love to see the OG shareware episode given the full AD treatment in a jam or something. One can dream! 
Nice Changes 
Zombie change is really nice, being able to gib them without waiting out the i-frames is much better. Not sure when it was changed but standard grunt enemies seem to now take two shotgun hits like in vanilla rather than the one they did before, much better since they were a bit squishy IMO. 
@Kim 
I think the original game was 2 SG hits before too? I assume that the SG was just slightly nerfed back to original damage. 
@619/620 
The AD shotguns previously did a bit more damage as a tradeoff for being projectile weapons instead of the vanilla hitscan, this was rolled back in v1.70 according to the changelog:
* Removed extra damage (+4 per shot) from projectile shotguns (SG/SSG/WM) 
 
I can't believe I forgot that - especially as someone who used to complain about the discrepancy a lot. I imagine it was nearly impossible to balance ammo for people who used the impulse command to switch modes. 
Bug Report 
This is probably not the place to report bugs, but I thought I give it a shot. I'm fairly new here, e.g. lurking until now, I normally hang out in the ZDoom forums, please forgive my ignorance.

Anyway, rockets (not grenades) fired at zombies have a blast radius of zero/don't inflict splash damage. If you stand directly in front of a zombie and fire the RL point blank, you won't be harmed, same goes for anything else standing close to it. The only workaround for now is to kill zombies with the GL. 
 
Just checked for myself and I can confirm it's true. Weird! 
 
"Playing through the original first episode of quake after these maps is dissapointing. Even the few of the more fleshed out test maps in Arcane dimensions stand above the episode 1 levels in quake."

Well, that stands to reason with 20+ years of tools development behind us. :) They were building the levels with first generation, still being written, tools... 
 
I wouldn't want to try running AD maps on a Pentium 90 with 8-16 MB of RAM, which was actually one of the better systems you could have had when the original Quake was released. The game had to run on that hardware (usually worse), so there couldn't be many details in the levels.

As great as it is to see what became possible in Quake mapping after all these years, the classic levels remain timeless and really shouldn't be compared to what the community comes up with these days. 
 
Leptis Magna is one of my favorite AD maps. However, it has way too many encounters where we can just nail the enemies from very far away, which makes the enemies not react, because the enemies will only target the player if the player is close enough, even when the player is attacking them.

If the player is too far away for the monsters to target, the monsters should at least dodge the player's projectiles when they're hit. Get the angle of the projectile's trajectory, and make the monsters run in an orthogonal direction. 
 
or just run around randomly when hit 
 
With the Benny Hill Chase music playing. 
 
Giftmarchar's ad_e1m3 is fully playable, and is different enough from AD schupuler, so should be added. 
+1 
 
AD On Finnish Game Magazine 
I discovered recently that AD was featured in the March 2018 issue of Pelit, (probably) the largest game magazine in the Nordic countries! :D

Brace yourselves as I reminisce: Back in the day, before the days of the Internet, I used to read the magazine a lot in the elementary school (1995-2001) library when I was a wee lad. But as Internet became more widespread, and I grew up, there was a long time I hadn't read the magazine at all.

But once I graduated in 2014 and got a stable job, I picked up reading the magazine once again. And I noticed some of the journalists in the magazine were still around as in the nineties, so there's a lot of oldschool flair in the magazine, with a lot of love for old or retro games.

Some highlights from the article:

"Arcane Dimensions is Quake as it's painted in our memories. The building blocks are largely the same but the action has been beefed up and the architecture is from another world."

"The culmination of the mod is Forgotten Sepulcher. Despite the size everything is thought out and detailed."

"20 years of practice in map design has produced fruit, the seed of which id Software probably didn't realize it had sown."

"I was enchanted by AD from the first bite."

After a brief description of his run of Foggy Bogbottom the author states: "Not every map of the mod is an epic like that of Foggy Bogbottom, but it sums up what AD is at its best: feeling the map, horror, action, exploration, pacing, replayability, a little bit of everything."

(The author seems to like large open maps with exploration with side paths and backtracking.)

"The Triforce of speed, avoidable projectiles, and ever surrounding punishment shines bright"

"The game keeps you on your toes."

"The maps in AD are spiky Rubik's cubes that occasionally lock in places to show something, but are often just skillfully intertwined geometry, art for the sake of art. They evoke a lot of images, but often slip to the realm of the incomprehensible, which since the days of Lovecraft has been a good setting for a nightmarish feeling."

"Quake Champions has shiny graphics and polish, but in attitude AD dominates. Rough is beatiful."

The author states how many of the maps draw inspiration from FPS games throughout the ages and states: "AD is Quake with two decades worth of experience. A map pack, which makes the id maps look like preschooler tinkering. Not that the folks at id were bad at the time but knowhow has simply just increased since then."

"Subjectively I have an unhealthy fixation with the Quake framework. Objectively AD is one of the best things that people have done with the framework."

Screenshot of the article with the text hidden to respect the text copyright:

http://www.quaketastic.com/files/AD_Pelit_jpg.jpg

The text at the beginning says:

"AN ANCIENT GOD AWAKENS

In capable hands certain games just keep getting better over the decades. One of them is Quake." 
Thanks Esrael 
Seeing this is very humbling and exciting at the same time, I feel honoured to have contributed to this mod. :) 
Thx! 
Very nice to read this. 
#632 
Only skimmed what u wrote and that's great :) 
 
Sock also just retweeted a blog article by the same author, more about "pixel graphics" in general rather than only talking about AD: https://twitter.com/SimsOCallaghan/status/977864228118941697 
Quakespasm Not Full AD Experience? 
Hi,
Im running the later Quakespasm on a mac and looking at this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8JWgsz8-lQ

I think Im missing the rain and some "smoke trail" with the torches and grenades maybe.

Am I missing some configuration? Im running a very clean config with just a texture 2 change and some joystick (due to handicap).
Thanks 
@daemonix 
Regular Quakespasm does not have those effects. You need to run AD with "quakespasm-spike-admod.exe" to get those special effects. 
I Forgot The Link 
@damage_inc 
may the gibs be in your favour! 
#637 
So, sock himself is using QSS to play AD. This should be enough reason to switch to QSS over regular QS for playing this mod. 
@mfx 
How can I contact you with a question about one of your maps? 
#642 
maikfranzxaver -at- gmail -dot- com 
Thanks! 
 
@mankrip 
FYI... QSS != quakespasm-spike-admod 
Ad_e2m2 
has anyone managed to find all of the new 10 secret triggers in ad_e2m2? there used to be only 3 before it was updated in 1.70. After hours of not finding any new secrets i didn't recognize from 1.60 I noclipped around the entire map still and couldn't find the last 2 anywhere, which is kind of weird since there should be rooms of some kind for them, but there don't seem to be. is this a bug or am i just too stupid to see them? 
Ibueac 
nevermind, i'm stupid. 
Shoot The Boards 
Or was that for swampy. If you are having too much trouble, switch to an engine that supports drawing EVERYTHING when outside the level bounds...oh wait you can't because QS/QSS and QuakeDroid are the onlyones that support AD lol. 
Co-op 
is there any way to configure coop to work properly? it keeps dropping packets and a lot of things like bullets and particles aren't showing up on the client. 
 
The packet size limit of Quakespasm is fixed at compile time (DATAGRAM_MTU 1400), I've tried raising it to 32000 for testing coop and it worked OK, but routers/internet are not required to deliver large packets from what I understand.

try Quakespasm-Spike; it has a new network protocol which is supposed to be better for coop: http://triptohell.info/moodles/qss/ 
@ericw 
thanks, the datagram thing totally worked.
there's one weird quirk though, maybe you can tell me what causes it.

most maps load on client, but synchronization problems get really bad as they get bigger and water of any type is completely unrendered. sepulcher doesnt load at all on client, host says "sz_getspace: overflow" when client is trying to connect. adjusting r_wateralpha once on client makes the water reappear, performance is way better and sepulcher actually loads, but you have to do it every time after connecting. lava and portals seem to be unaffected by whatever is causing this. 
 
thanks, the datagram thing totally worked.
cool!

most maps load on client, but synchronization problems get really bad as they get bigger and water of any type is completely unrendered.
Not sure what's going on with the water, or synchronization problems in general (could be packets are being dropped).

Turning off AD's particles ("temp1 0" in ad/quake.rc) is a good idea because each one is an entity and they generate a lot of network traffic.
I think if you use QS-Spike they no longer use entities, but I'm not 100% sure.

sz_getspace: overflow - This is the "signon buffer overflowed" message. Not sure why it would show up in coop but not singleplayer, maybe there is some extra info that gets sent in coop for some reason.

Quakespasm-spike should have this limit removed entirely so that would be what I would recommend trying next. So what made the "sz_getspace: overflow" error go away again, wouldn't just be changing the r_wateralpha cvar on the client? 
 
i made a mistake. i tested it at least a dozen times and it always worked after adjusting it, and never when i didn't. but apparently that was just coincidence.

once i tried connecting 3 times in a row without changing anything and it actually connected on the third, but i haven't been able to replicate that again and now it either connects first try or never until i restart everything. then i was sure it was related to connection quality, since it seemed to always work on a wired connection and only sometimes on wireless and there was a huge difference in network performance, but then it eventually refused to connect on a wired connection aswell, with the same overflow error.

i also don't really understand whats going on with the water, there are 3 different scenarios for the client. either it is completely invisible, but if you check r_wateralpha it has a value that should be visible. sometimes it is totally opaque and r_wateralpha reflects that accurately with a 1, and other times it simply carries over the value from the previously loaded map. sepulcher is supposed to have 0.6, and start has 0.65, so the client will sometimes have 0.65 while the host has 0.6 when i changed the level after connecting.

i tried spikes version but that has the exact same problem, only worse for some reason. it happens for much smaller maps like magna at a rate comparable to sepulcher in regular quakespasm with the limit removed.

can the signon buffer size be increased as easily as the packet size limit? i'd like to test that in my quakespasm build to see if it makes a difference. 
Sz_getspace: Overflow 
With QSS as a server, set sv_gameplayfix_spawnbeforethinks 1. This prevents PlayerPreThink etc getting called on player entities that have not actually been spawned yet, thereby preventing AD from spamming at the worst possible time.
You should then be able to connect just fine, every time.

However, I fucked up such that the above cvar doesn't do its job on map changes. Reconnecting will work fine until the next map change, thankfully most AD maps have shotgun starts so this shouldn't be too annoying beyond the hassle of it.

@sock
the overflow comes from spammed v_cshift stuffcmds (somewhere inside PlayerPostThink) to players that haven't even been ClientConnected yet, this then overflows the waiting signon data.
Normally I'd say its just an engine bug, but it goes all the way back to vanilla (so applies to more than just QS[S]) and the general policy is to not break other mods that actually depend on weird legacy behaviour (hence the gameplayfix cvar defaulting to 0). 
@Spike @sock 
the overflow comes from spammed v_cshift stuffcmds (somewhere inside PlayerPostThink) to players that haven't even been ClientConnected yet,

It looks like like it's coming from this ResetDebuffSystem() call (the internals of that do the stuffcmd unconditionally.)

//----------------------------------------------------------------------
// Core debuff function, run every frame from client.qc
//----------------------------------------------------------------------
void() ClientDeBuff =
{
// If player is dead or intermission running, turn everything off
if (intermission_running > 0 || self.health < 1) {
ResetDebuffSystem(self);
return;
}


Probably adding a (self.flags & FL_CLIENT) check should do the trick? 
@ericw @Spike 
yup, totally does the trick.

thanks for the help, both of you :) 
Elevators 
why are some of them so janky and others just fine? most of them you clip into a little bit like the two in start, very few are completely fine like the first on tfuma, and others are really bad making you jump up and down like the second one on crucial. 
Speeds And Clip Brushes 
First, make sure you aren't playing with max fps set higher than 72 (60 might be more consistent). Quake has a long standing physics bug that isn't framerate dependent.

The clipping might have to do with making a func_plat that also includes clip brushes. Some elevators have invisible brushes to make them into a solid rectangular box so players don't get trapped under the lip and get their heads bonked. 
 
A "smooth out stair step ups" engine change may also resolve this. In view.c: https://github.com/id-Software/Quake/blob/master/WinQuake/view.c

Change "oldz += steptime * 80;" to "oldz += steptime * 160;" and a lot of elevator jankiness goes away.

This change is in Bengt Jardrup's engine, but what's not clear is how he knew to make the change nor where he got the figure of 160 from. 
 
Elevators (and ramps) that are inside a trigger_fog or other trigger that does a stuffcmd every frame defeats the movement smoothing.

I debugged it a bit and cl.onground was getting set to false after each stuffcmd, which disabled the smoothing, but I didn't track down how cl.onground is linked to the stuffcmd-ing. Quakespasm-Spike's new protocol avoids this, but I'm not sure what change is responsible. Do you know what's going on, Spike?

test cases:

jittery:

temp1 0 # enable the stuffcmds inside trigger_fog
map ad_swampy.bsp
notarget
setpos -67 1368 840
noclip


smooth:

temp1 2048 #this disables the stuffcmds inside trigger_fog
map ad_swampy.bsp
notarget
setpos -67 1368 840
noclip


you need to walk off the plat and step back on. Look at the floor (plat surface) to see the jittering. You might have to ride the elevator a few times to see it jitter, but the "smooth" case is always smooth. 
 
Ok, did a bit more debugging (quakespasm / protocol 666), and it seems the client gets a net message with just svc_stufftext, and no svc_clientdata. onground gets set to false on every received network message unless there is svc_clientdata in it, so that is how the stuffcmd causes the stairstep smoothing to be reset. Not sure about the bigger picture like why does PF_stuffcmd result in a standalone net message without a svc_clientdata?

I guess the best solution assuming qc changes would be to use fitzquake's built in fog interpolation over time, which would avoid spamming the network with fog changes. 
@661 
svc_clientdata is normally present in every single _unreliable_ packet (the exception being nop packets).
Unlike Quakeworld, in NQ all reliable data (like stuffcmds) is sent in separate packets. hence why you're getting a packet that contains only a stuffcmd. This is true even for DPP7 and QSS.

There really is nothing specific to stuffcmd here. there are many other ways to trigger small reliables without svc_clientdatas.


FTE/QSS's network protocol considers the onground flag to be part of entity state, and doesn't even use svc_clientdata any more.
I don't recall any particular reason why you can't just do similar, and set/clear it only on reception of svc_clientdata (and CL_ClearState). I probably ought to do just that in QSS. Flagging the player as offground can affect things like bobbing, but its better to make sure any such unwanted effects are disabled by map changes, pause, or whatever, instead of potentially breaking on random reliables. 
Thanks Again Everyone 
i changed it to 160 and it's smooth as butter now.

completely unrelated, my save file somehow got corrupted in the most bizarre way i have ever seen. all the detail prop models have been shuffled. lit candles are now shell boxes, unlit candles are fire, and fire is a health kit. the zombie knights are invisible except for their swords which attack you without any sort of animation, and the shadow axe is duplicated and doesn't disappear when picked up. everything goes back to normal when you change level or restart.

would be super impressed if someone could explain how this might have happened. have a look at it yourself if you're curious, there's even more weird shit like the fire that gets abducted into the ceiling immediately.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1jFNJH3Z84DfK56GrWRFpNpm1sqHBJWQx 
Edict List Offset By 1 
Quake stores all the models in an edict list on map load (or was it game start, whatever). If you load a saved game in a different mod or different version, the edict list could be different amd thus the referenced model for each object is off from where it should be in the list. 
@662 
Thanks! That explains everything. set/clearing cl.onground only on reception of svc_clientdata sounds like a reasonable change. 
@664 
it has nothing to do with edicts.
its the model indexes. precaching models in a different order can and will result in the model indexes referring to different models.

there are all sorts of ways to trigger the issue, from updating a mod or map between saving+loading, to mods that just use non-deterministic precaches such that they all get renumbered on reload.
If the mod ever uses random() in order to decide which model to precache then the mod is buggy.

FTE+DP+QSS are meant to write out the precache list so that it can be restored properly afterwards, which should allow non-deterministic mods to reload games properly.
Don't expect to be able to fix the game by just loading your existing save with one of those engines - if the saved game doesn't include the data then it'll have to be made up somehow - which means guessed, which means buggy. 
AD Co-op? 
I would really like to know if there is a way to play Arcane Dimensions (v.1.70 patch 1) in co-op using Quakespasm (0.93.0). I tried to make it work but I'm always getting some kind of connection problem message. Is there a tutorial for that anywhere? 
@Berzerk 
Scroll up a bit to #649, I asked the same thing a few days ago.

Right now you either need to compile Quakespasm and AD with the minor changes to the source code mentioned above, or use Spike's version of Quakespasm (QSS) and set "sv_gameplayfix_spawnbeforethinks 1" in the console. If you're going to play over internet I would recommend just going with QSS, it will perform much better. 
What Does The Angry Spawnflag Do? 
The documentation and editor description led me to believe it makes the entity aware of the player right away regardless of distance and sight obstruction, which is exactly what I need for my map. I tested it with multiple monsters and it doesn't seem to make any difference at all, flagged entities are still idling until attacked or within the detection radius. 
@mwyah 
I think you need to specifically trigger them IIRC. 
Or... 
it's only useful when they spawn in. 
 
It's funny that just searching for "serpent runekey" brought me here. Anyway, thanks for the hints, they were much appreciated. I felt like an idiot after finally finding the secret. I tried so many things. 
 
Possible to add monsters to Bastion, Marcher, and Masque to turn them into AD maps? 
 
Hey anyone know if/when/how sock's new map is getting released? The one with the huge sword piece. 
Issue With Ad_s1m1 The Slipgate Conundrum 
While I am not sure if this is an issue or normal behavior of the map, but I recently noticed this playing AD with QuakeSPASM 0.93: once you finish ad_s1m1, you are being teleported on Castle of the Damned map... Shouldn't it teleport the player back to Episode map? 
 
I think it's intended. It does the same for me in Qrack. I believe Sock made the map as an alternate for the original e1m1 not ad_e1m1. 
Secret Hunting In Foggy Bogbottom 
I'm pretty adamant about 100% completion in these maps since I'm having such a great time and I want to explore everything. I'm trying to find the final tome in ad_swampy. I know where it is. I cheated and noclipped through a door that I wasn't able to unlock in order to see if I could reverse engineer the secret, but I can't.

I'm trying to get inside here:
https://i.imgur.com/7a5TwMx.jpg

It seems like the only doors that lead into the room are locked from within. Can I get a hint as to what I need to do next? I was thinking that everything would come together once I got the eighth tome and that I'd be able to easily get the purple and blood keys after, but I can't figure it out after wandering for what seems like hours. 
Well 
You need a silver key to get behind these doors, the sk door is located at the final outdoor/church area.

If you dont mind some spoilers, there is a YT video where all tomes are found: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJyNNMk4jx0

Anyway, thx for playing! 
Thanks 
It looks like the trick is in the blood key. In the video, it's visible at 25:55 when the player breaks the wall adjacent to the red armor. However, I don't have the blood key in my inventory and I was already inside that room. I restarted the map and noclipped to that room to see if the blood key would be there but it's not. At first I thought that maybe the key only spawns when triggered by some event just like the tomes but I figured that all the keys are probably already in position at map start.

In any case, why wouldn't the key be there for me if I played through the entire map normally? Is it possible for something to have bugged out on my end?

Also I think that the map is a masterpiece. I hope that I can make something even half as good some day. I had a ton of fun playing through it so far. 
Wait A Moment 
The video i linked to is the ad1.42 version of swampy.
I changed some secrets in later versions, added features
due to mod updates/addons and general wtf.

The blood key is now located high above

https://i.imgur.com/c6Iequy.jpg

Sorry for the confusion..

I personally think the first version is best,
i shouldve only added the fishing ogre... :) 
Thanks 
Luckily sock was kind enough to show me how to find the key a little earlier on stream. Finally got the rune legitimately as well as the purple key secret (thanks to sock as well). I put more time into this map alone probably more than most games overall, but I enjoyed every second of it. This was a fantastic map and one of my favorites by far. The Arcane features made it all the more enjoyable. I'll be replaying this one a lot going forward.

Speaking of fishing ogres, I really wanted that 100% completion but I couldn't bring myself to attack the passive ones. I especially liked the one who was fishing for the ring of shadows. The level of detail in this map was amazing. 
@poorchop 
You've inspired me to play this yet again. I've never completed it. 
Dumptruck 
It might not be for everyone but the level of detail and the interconnectedness were top notch. I'm not sure how far you got but there is also a good amount of variation within the map - swamp, church with white bricks, rooftops, library, and secrets galore. I think it's exemplary in terms of layout and it's a template for me to work towards in terms of design and detail, especially regarding how organic it felt environmentally. 
 
Probably one of the best base maps that I'll ever play.

https://i.imgur.com/wNGjZIc.png

So close to perfect completion. I had to replay this one because I completely forgot about the circuit boards and I didn't even know that there was a rune in this map until discussing it with Spud.

Usually nothing beats experiencing an amazing game or map for the first time but this managed to be even more fun playing through again. I've already replayed most of Swampy a few times in order to try and learn about design and flow, and also because it was so much fun, but the first experience was still something else. All of these maps are phenomenal so far though so I will be revisiting all of them plenty going forward.

Finished Necro Keep as well and in the process of secret hunting. I only wish that there was some indication as to whether or not there was a rune in certain maps. Now I'm never too sure whether I should invest a lot of time trying to get the secrets or just move on the for the time being in lieu of no runes being present within the map.

Necro Keep was really fun due to the difficulty level and it had a great atmosphere. The fog hovering above the ground looked great and it isn't something that I've seen before in a map. I liked the Blood style beginning, crawling out of my grave. I dig the maps that have you starting in an unorthodox fashion instead of the usual slipgate arrival. 
Hub 1 Done 
I finished the main hub and there's not much more praise that I can add. This is definitely one of the greatest single player campaigns that I've ever played and the most fun that I've had with a game in a while. The final map that I played was ad_mountain (aside from ad_end of course) and it was a hell of a finale. The phantom knight that guides you towards the rune was amazing. I never would've imagined that features like that would have made it into a game this old, and yet it doesn't clash with any of the original aesthetics or design.

The talent in this community is astronomical. These maps serve as a template for what I'd like to achieve some day. I've already been replaying some of these maps but I will be revisiting them quite often in the future not just for inspiration, but also for enjoyment. There are still some secrets that I need to find. For now, I'm glad that there's a whole new set of maps for me to play in the next hub.

I'll try to keep my enthusiasm to myself next time since I'm kind of late to the party and I'm mostly talking to myself. I think it's already safe to say that the next set of maps is going to blow me away, so props to everyone who contributed to those maps as well. 
@poorchop 
I still haven't finished all of the original content and it's a good reminder to set aside some time and complete these!

Don't forget Xmas Jam and some of the stand alone maps too! 
 
Thanks for the tip - I know that Grendel's Blade is another quality Arcane map and I also know that Redfield has a standalone Egyptian themed one as well. Xmas Jam sounds good although I might save that one for Christmas this year. It'll make for a nice present. 
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