"The mistake you made was to post a ripped off map on a forum frequented by people whose hobby it is to create original maps, so not only is what you've done unimpressive by their standards, it's also mildly disrespectful. "

Does this not stink of 'elitism' to you?
Who the hell has the right to feel like they've been treated disrespectfully by this guy who didn't intentionally do anything to them or even know of their standards?

I get your point tho and I agree to some degree.

Insulting people for the sake of entertaining conversation is fine and we all have the right to do so. I do it all the time.
where we may differ is here:

Doing it out of some belief that you're actually better than those others is not fine.
It's actually really lame.

The difference between what I did and what certain people here did, really lies in where the speaker was coming from.

I'm shitting on people for being obviously lame: they were shitting on a guy and his work over what amounts to nothing and acting like they were victims when in fact they were the aggressors.

Those people were shitting on this guy for doing something that he didn't even know would not live up to their 'high' standards.

I shit on them for not living up to fairly universal standards in human societies that say you shouldn't act like a dick to people over nothing. Yes I personally wasn't wronged by them, but that doesn't mean I can't tell them that they were wronging someone else and mock them for thinking they are justified in doing so. 

They weren't personally wronged by him, but that doesn't mean they can't tell him that he was wronging someone else and then mock him for thinking he is justified in doing so. 

For someone who doesn't care, you sure post a lot. 

text-fish stated that you're all wronged by saying that what the guy did was disrespectful to anyone who frequents this board, when in fact the guy was just uninformed and meant no disrespect. not one of you said "hey I dont feel like what he did was disrespectful".

If you interpret what the 'mapper' stated, he didn't even know he was being disrespectful, and as such there's no way he would feel justified in doing something that he didn't even realize he was doing.

Effectively, the regs here were mocking a guy and treating him disrespectfully over nothing, because no one should have been wronged (or felt that they were being treated poorly) by the act of posting a map.

It's obvious that his intent was to give you all something that he thought was of value.

What he got in return was a bunch of mean-spirited shit from people who are judgemental and who decided that his gift wasn't good enough for them, and stupidly took it as some sort of insult. 

He didn't present any work. He presented a brush for brush conversion of someone else's work. That deserves no respect or consideration. 

I do care about quake modding and people being willing to continue doing it.

When I came in here and saw people crapping on a guy over nothing, who was just trying to put forth his latest effort at adding something to the games, I was insulted and worried about the future of PC game modding if this is what it's communities foster.

I regularly assist others who show any want to learn how to make new assets for games, even if they are inexperienced.

I started making content for other's games as a young adult a year or so after duke3d was released. I've tried my hand at quake, C&C, CS, Unreal, and a few other games as well over the years.
I wrote a few games in old qbasic in elementary and middle school and created and distrubted games that I made in C++ and visual basic to my friends in high school.

In recent years, I've made from scratch and released 10 maps for quake2, and I've done some skinning, work on some mapping contests, helped with a couple of mods and a tiny bit of 3d modelling when I had the time. None of it is professional quality stuff but it's all original and I don't feel like this guy's 'work' was disrespectful to me or any other level headed modder who does this for fun and for the sake of having new cool stuff in games that they love.

As a modder myself, I think some of you give us a bad name by acting the way that you do.

I especially dislike guys who knowingly fuck up entire game genres, for profit, by shoehorning them into crappy console games for a living, and marketing them at the lowest common denominator of gamers. 

I can only assume you're directing your console insult towards me since you've mentioned it several times. I'm not sure how I personally am responsible for whatever slight you've perceived since I make levels and work on the tools a little bit. I guess I can shoulder responsibility for entire genres being, apparently, decimated because someone got chainsawed in Gears of War but I don't think it's even remotely reasonable. 

and noone played the Hitler card. Who says we are not improving ;-) 

you and your money hat.

if you haven't seen (from within the industry no less!) the consistent degredation of various video game genres (shooters foremost) that is caused by 'AAA' console titles consisting of crappy rehashes of what PCs have done better, then you're completely oblivious.

Market trends that cause companies (like the one you work for) to repeatedly put out reskinned titles with a few new guns and no new features, are not entirely the fault of stupid consumers.

The companies themself bear responsibility because they use their superior budgets to hype these titles as the best thing since sliced bread instead of actually spending their money on innovating like indy PC developers have done for years.

I can't wait to see the new iD now that they're owned by a console kiddie catering investment group that doesn't give a shit about gaming except as a means to make profit.

Making games used to at least be a little bit about the art. Now if you want to even make a game, you can't get funding without pandering to the LCD. 

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it's coming soon.

Just you wait. 

I lolled at SPAWN MORE OVERLORDS 

What? Sorry, my face was pressed into an oiled up set of money tits and I couldn't hear your, I'm sure, incredibly awesome insights about the games industry. 

"FUCK!"

Well, now we're talking. 

which usually means you don't get involved with the subjects, but you mister 208 decided to jump right in.

there's a reason why The Savage hung himself at the end of Brave New World, I'd stop before it gets that far [metaphorically of course].

I'm out of this completely now, maybe ill actually release a map someday :/ 

HAH! ok now I'm out 

Really, this is all time that could be used creating original maps. 

Porting ones from other games. 

"Random Flame War, Just for Kicks!" 

Bingo bongo. 

Can't everyone please stop giving this sad little mama's boy the attention he craves for? 

This "sad little momma's boy" judged your latest map to be one of the best in the latest Q2C mapping contest, and he's had your back in the past when people thought your port of your own map from q2w wasn't exactly what "brand new map" meant in previous contest's rules.

You'll notice that I never once called someone's work fugly, and made jokes about them.

Perhaps you should not call people names when can't manage to correctly use the english language to do so.

to all:

I don't need your attention, and I post on other forums and boards regularly without some mythical need for attention being ascribed to me.

This one caught my attention in recent days.

Since here, I've been replying to actual questions, intended insults, and inquiries as opposed to making stupid halfassed trolling attempts like the majority of posters in this thread.

We can go back to this little internet backwater getting pretty much no play, and you guys circle jerking, but I'd rather you got some action around here.

Judging by the popularity of this lil thread, I'm the best thing that's happened here in a long time. 

"We can go back to this little internet backwater getting pretty much no play, and you guys circle jerking, but I'd rather you got some action around here. "

Well, there weren't any current flame wars before you showed up so I guess ... thanks?

"Perhaps you should not call people names when can't manage to correctly use the english language to do so."

+'you'
'English'

But it's good that you're trying.

"Judging by the popularity of this lil thread, I'm the best thing that's happened here in a long time."

No, not attention whoring in any way. Crowd approval certainly doesn't factor into your self esteem, no sir. 

^

this would be what I mean by shitty trolling attempt from one of the regs here.

Blame who you will, but I'm not the one fanning the flames repeatedly.

I am engaging in discourse. This jackass is just flaming and trolling. 

Well, I reckon it's about time for you big city folks to head on home and leave us country bumpkins to our little backwater message board, right? Or have you not had enough attention yet?