I didn't know big sandbox games were ever about combining sprockets with dog cops or whatever 

Well, Fallout 4 is Fallout 3 except worse, which was hard to do, but always bet on Bethesda to fuck something up further.

- The dialogue system is one of the worst I've ever seen in an RPG. No speech checks and other similar stuff. In FO1, if you had enough speech and intelligence points, you could argue with a character and convince them to kill themselves. This was ONLY if you had high enough points there, with additional dialogue options. How rad is that? And I'm not counting the countless NPCs with additional dialogue options. Make a low intelligence character in FO2? People treat you like a dumbass and Vault City considers you too much of an untermensch to enter their city. There is nothing like this in FO4. You are stuck with 4 miserable choices and you don't even know what your character will say before you select the reply.
- Virtually zero choices & consequences and almost no karma, resulting in quests that generally end the same way with each playthrough. The Junktown situation could be dealt with in many ways in FO1 for instance, and the consequences of your actions could be felt both immediately and later on.
- Recycled story from FO3, except with inverted roles this time. Boring.
- Completely static factions; at least NV tried to be like the first two games in that regard: you could join/betray factions and your choices had a lasting impact. Here? Nada.
- It also goes without saying the game is ugly as sin, but it also bears little to no relation with the original artstyle that was still somewhat there in FO3 and NV. It's all cutesy and stuff now.

Bethesda clearly has learned nothing from Obsidian. There's a couple reasons why NV sucks less than FO3: better writing and better RPG systems. FO4 has none of that and does away with the few things FO3 did decently.

I'm not even talking about bugs, technical issues and glitches because everyone knows Bethesda games are never finished, but everyone seems to love them regardless. Hell, some of the bugs are exactly the same as in Skyrim!

In the meantime, wake me up when Bethesda makes a decent RPG. 

 

I feel like I'm playing a totally different game. Loving Fallout 4.

"It also goes without saying the game is ugly as sin"

They don't have the greatest graphics engine for sure but this is heads and shoulders above the brown/green mush that was Fallout 3 and the drab brown/grey that was NV. 

Go along with some other views I've seen, that this is sort of Rage2, with far too much FPS and far too little RPG.

If only I'd seem the slightest bit of evidence of that, I might actually be interested. 

And the FPS aspect isn't even good, which is another nail in the coffin. It's slightly better than FO3 (weapons pack more of a punch, slo-mo VATS is better than paused) but it's still plagued with lethargic weapon feel and bullet sponge enemies. 

Has anyone ever made a map (think cartography) of the Quake universe? 

I wish! 

I have a very vague recollection someone did at some point....but can't recall any details. Nice idea though! 

What would that even look like? 

I'm not sure there's even agreement on whether they're dimensions or planets or what.

Fat Controller described it in the readme for something or other once as a "multifaceted hedron" (I think), so I've just sort of gone with that. It's infinite as long as people want to keep writing dark level stories in it.

Every new texture set's a new dimension! 

� one for each dimension:
� Earth (dimension of tech bases)
� Dimension of the Doomed (who can't pay for the full game)
� Realm of Black Magic (Gorgoroth was here)
� The Netherworld
� The Elder World (swing chairs in the lawn 'n stuff)

In the Quake universe, Shub-Niggurath's Pit is probably located at a hidden dimension, or in the Lovecraftian concept of "the void". 

Saying each episode is a different dimension is flawed.

Episode 1 definitely hops around. I'm sure E1M6, E1M8 and whatever the name of the chthon map is, exist in different dimensions to the other E1 maps - are those metal maps in the same dimension as E3 though?

Right now I'm thinking it's probably just some sort of multifaceted hedron, as Lun says, or perhaps a metadimensional geoscape. Maybe even a pan-physical multiverse. 

Well, that makes sense. Every map transition that goes through a portal can signal a transition between different dimensions/worlds.

That leaves the maps connected through arch exits as the only ones that surely belongs to the same place. 

Metal maps Are set in the "bad future" that awaits the universe if Shub-Niggurath's plan is successful. 

Fallout 4 is terrible.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/fallout-4-ships-12-million-copies-in-one-day-break/1100-6432277/ 

 

As we all know, sales = quality.

Err how about no. 

http://imgur.com/gallery/Hl6gxSd 

I don't need 12 million sales to say that. It could have sold 3 copies and I would stand by it. 

More people playing it simultaneously than GTA V.

It's god awful. 

 

Popular doesn't necessarily mean good. :^) 

The cry of the hipster. 

Not really. McDonalds is very popular but it's shit food.