 Ohh We're Ranting About BFG Edition Here??
#28600 posted by dwere on 2016/12/26 13:56:10
Don't know about the stuttering mess. One of the main differences is the engine that's supposed to be optimized for hardware that's newer, but not exactly very powerful (think consoles). The laptop I used to compare the two versions of the game was struggling with the 2004 release on High, while the BFG reissue was very comfortable to play with comparable quality (I'm not talking about the aesthetic changes right now).
Of course, it wasn't an entirely free achievement. Some shadows were disabled, and some geometry was simplified, especially in Resurrection of Evil, which was always slower than the main campaign. The official patch released after a lot of complaining allows restoring some of the simplified lighting effects, but I'm not sure about all of them.
There's also a feature that dynamically adjusts the rendering resolution when the system can't hold a decent framerate, which is a good innovation, but probably lead to a lot of people thinking that the game looks crappier without being able to put their finger on what exactly is wrong.
As for the flashlight, the implementation is so retarded that I had no words when I discovered how they did it. It's so aggravating that this change alone makes me not want to recommend the reissue. Even though I'm pretty sure that 90% of players will never notice the problem.
The engine coders did their jobs.
The artists kinda did their jobs providing some touched-up model skins (whether it was actually needed is another question).
The one poor hack they asked to redo the flashlight shat all over their work. I'm pretty sure that if you move the camera back far enough you'll be able to see the view model of the flashlight complete with a T-1000-style third hand. But I'm a little scared to check.
Then there are mappers, of course. Okay, exactly one level bug I can remember in the original release was fixed. All others are in their place. But hey, they swapped the floor texture in the Mars City Underground lobby!
New levels aren't exactly worth talking about. They're there, and that's about it. I'd compare them to a decent amateur episode from authors that weren't confident enough in their skills to make original geometry, so they cannibalized a bunch of stock maps instead. I've heard similar complaints about RoE, but it wasn't as bad there, and I actually liked the "rearranged" levels. At least that mission pack had some new enemies and weapons.
Brighter lighting seems like an overkill in pandering. Wasn't the new flashlight enough? Should've done one or the other.
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#28601 posted by Kinn on 2016/12/26 14:16:26
In the BFG edition I never played through the original campaign, I only played the new "lost levels", which is why I couldn't comment on any lighting changes to the original maps.
On hearing they royally fucked them up by yanking up the ambient, I am:
1) Not surprised in the least, given the rest of the crap they did.
2) Even more glad I didn't bother playing through them.
Some games get fantastic re-releases with all-new spanky updated art. Some game re-releases just get farmed off ultra-cheapo to a Z-team somewhere that will idly slap out something nominal for a couple of free sandwiches from the vending machine - but not the good sandwiches; I'm talking like those petrol-station-quality egg & cress sandwiches that have been sitting there for a week.
#28602 posted by dwere on 2016/12/26 14:34:00
One change I can appreciate is a slight increase of the player's running speed. The original game just felt uncomfortable in this regard, while the reissue feels about right. They also toned down the footstep sounds, which were really annoying.
It's amazing how such an important aspect of the game (you spend even more time running around and listening to your boots than you spend shooting things) can be so neglected, and how little you need to change to make it relatively not particularly horrible.
#28603 posted by Mugwump on 2016/12/26 15:27:10
I am yet to see a "remastered" game be better than the original with community patches and mods. D3 BFG is no exception. Sikkmod + Absolute HD are ten times better than this BFG cash grab.
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#28604 posted by Kinn on 2016/12/26 15:48:11
I don't think it was supposed to be a "remaster" or "HD upgrade" for the PC - The only reason it exists is because some bean-counter thought they could make a few pennies by releasing a version of Doom 3 on XBox360 and PS3, hence the retarded console-friendly changes like narrower FOV and more health/ammo everywhere. The PC edition of D3 BFG is just "there" and an utterly, utterly pointless purchase.
 The Patch Allows To Adjust The FOV From The Menu
#28605 posted by dwere on 2016/12/26 16:27:03
For what it's worth.
But it seems that they changed the view weapon offsets somewhat to compensate for the default FOV, so some things look worse with 90. The machinegun in particular reveals more than you want to see.
 BFG: Buncha Fetid Garbage
#28606 posted by killpixel on 2016/12/26 18:19:53
dwere - Interesting, confirms my assumptions. I played for about 6 minutes and had just assumed that there was a myriad of other issues deeper into the game. The hirez hud is nice, though.
mugwump - Sikkmod.
Ah, the ol' bloom and vaseline mod!
Kinn - The only reason it exists is because some bean-counter thought they could make a few pennies...
Painful truths! IMO, D3 is deserving of tasteful and respectful touch-up. It's a similar story with the new bioshock "remasters".
NEW RULE: If you don't give a shit about the game and/or lack basic human decency, you're not allowed to be a part of the remastering team.
#28607 posted by dwere on 2016/12/26 18:46:36
Well, if you treat it as a second console edition, it's not so bad. Many of the changes even make sense in this context.
It's just that they didn't care enough to make the PC version separate from the rest. Which is a pretty common practice, unfortunately.
#28608 posted by Mugwump on 2016/12/26 19:05:34
You don't have to use bloom with Sikkmod and there's more to it than fancy effects: you can tweak walking speed, weapon behavior, etc...
 Can't Remember Doom3 Mission Pack.
#28609 posted by Shambler on 2016/12/26 20:25:09
But AFAIK it was decent enough. I liked Doom3 too.
But TBH, Doom4 is everything Doom3 should have been and completely overriden it.
#28610 posted by killpixel on 2016/12/26 20:45:13
Mugwump - no, you're right, I'm just being facetious. However, I do find that particular mod to be, well, a little tasteless. IIRC, I think I did lift a thing or two from it for my personal mod.
Shambler - decent enough
That's an accurate description. I must respectfully disagree with Doom4 overriding Doom3 (kinda apples to oranges comparison anyway). I find glory-killing my through D4's arenas less engaging than crawling through D3's corridors. Don't get me wrong, both very good games.
For "doom action" I just play D2 and its abundant wads.
 I Have Been Shitting And Puking Nonstop For The Last 24 Hours
#28611 posted by czg on 2016/12/28 13:37:13
 You Caught A Case Of 'the Internets'
#28612 posted by DaZ on 2016/12/28 13:41:54
stay off public forums and it should clear up!
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#28613 posted by Kinn on 2016/12/28 13:48:00
I see you opened that picture attachment I sent you then.
 I Thought That WAS The Picture Attachment.
#28614 posted by Shambler on 2016/12/28 20:02:30
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#28615 posted by Kinn on 2016/12/28 20:32:01
My Grindr profile image can be...challenging for some to process.
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#28616 posted by madfox on 2016/12/29 03:23:49
I have been mapping and scripting nonstop for the last strikes!
#28617 posted by Mugwump on 2016/12/29 03:39:36
Does this mean we're gonna play a new Quake map by Madfox soon?
#28618 posted by madfox on 2016/12/29 05:29:40
I'm more hiding for czg fog's attachment!
 True Size Of The Earth's Landmasses
#28623 posted by Kinn on 2016/12/31 15:30:18
Well this blew my mind a little bit. I knew that the Earth's landmasses appear distorted on the typical 2d projection you see in atlases (and google maps) but I had no idea how totally wacky it was. Here's a cool site that lets you drag countries around the globe to compare their true sizes with others:
http://thetruesize.com/
For the biggest "Holy Shit", try dragging Indonesia onto Europe or Russia.
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#28624 posted by killpixel on 2016/12/31 17:19:42
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