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		 #31679 #31697 posted by adib  on 2020/09/17 00:12:28Ok, Shooter.  
		 Quake On Vinyl #31698 posted by arkngt  on 2020/09/19 00:13:13That's a must have for me. Can't order from the NiN-store, though, so I hope I can get it some other way.
  Here are the liner notes, that for some reason were removed both from the release and the web page:
 
 https://twitter.com/JoshuaA20190612/status/1306356746139598848 
		 KrissyD #31699 posted by SleepwalkR  on 2020/09/19 00:28:52If TB has contributed to this renaissance of retro shooters, that‘s great. What makes me really happy is that some people get to earn some money doing what they love, using TB. In the end, it hopefully keeps drawing new people to Quake, too, which helps to keep this community alive. 
 But, neggers... KrissyD? You make my name sound like a 90ies girl rapper‘s stage handle :-P
 
		 Microsoft #31700 posted by oOÖOo on 2020/09/21 19:17:30 
		 Microsoft #31701 posted by mh  on 2020/09/21 19:58:26Both JC and JR have expressed positivity about this on their respective twitters.
 Ironically, I think the Microsoft of 2020 is a good cultural fit for id. We may even start seeing open source engine releases again.
 
		 Skill 2 Or 3? #31702 posted by Anoobis  on 2020/09/24 01:18:07According to the fan wiki there was a little debate about which skill, 2 or 3, was actually harder. I am not really aware of the technical reasons. I'm just aware that this debate existed. Can you tell me if it was ever settled and what are the reasons for each side? I'm asking because I want to play on the tougher setting so I'll probably decide which one is tougher based on the replies here.  
		 Skill 3 #31703 posted by madfox  on 2020/09/24 02:24:12Skill 0 = easy
Skill 1 = noreal
 Skill 2 = hard
 Skill 3 = nightmare
 
 The first three are usually a confrontment of  slightly more monsters.
 Nightmare skill comes with ogres that throw grenades more rapidly and act quicker than the first three stages. Also their health can be much tougher. Not sure about other monsters, but I think they'really also harder.
 
 So yeah, nightmare skill is really the hardest one.
 
		 To Expand On Skill 3 - Nightmare #31704 posted by Preach  on 2020/09/24 19:23:43The changes in skill 3 are all monster behaviour. They don't actually gain any hitpoints, but they are made much tougher by adding pain resistance. Each monster goes into pain at most once every 5 seconds. In addition, every monster wakes up and starts attacking much faster - in the other skills there's a wake-up delay imposed.
 Lastly, most monsters have some specific behaviours added to their attacks, although the changes vary from monster to monster. For example, the Vore's projectiles fly faster on nightmare, the Shambler fires an extra tick of lightning, and as madfox mentions the Ogre (among others) simply fires a lot faster.
 
 The general effect of these changes is that the monsters are a lot more relentless in nightmare. I suppose you could make an argument that the monsters are slightly more predictable in nightmare than in hard - for instance ogres fire so often they don't really ever move while they can see you. But I still think it's hard to make the case that it's ever easier.
 
		 ! #31705 posted by madfox  on 2020/09/25 20:48:33No idea what happened..,
I had a real terrible nightmare.
 
 As always, that's exact the pinpoint Preach.
 
		
		#31706 posted by misc_ftl  on 2020/09/26 00:29:42since ericwa removed obj export from his toolset: https://github.com/ericwa/ericw-tools/issues/176  does anyone know any decent way to export an optimized OBJ from a BSP?  
		 Welcome Back Metl & Func. #31707 posted by Shambler  on 2020/09/27 11:28:23All working good again now.  
		
		#31708 posted by misc_ftl  on 2020/09/29 22:10:36 
		 Why Do People Feel The Need To Shit On Other FPS Of The Era? #31709 posted by quakeulf  on 2020/10/07 09:04:33I am rather sadened by the state of the /vr/-doom threads now which are 99% "your favourite game sux no valid reason given". Then there are those who pin the blame on someone from the Quake mapping community called "Alf" and it creates the worst kind of discourse. As I have gotten blocked by certain people on twitter for no reason given (so far) it really does not help build a community. I really hope that something can be done with this, as it is the main reason I am not more active. When we are so few there is no reason to have a few bad seeds ruin it all...  
		
		
		Radical exclusionary purist complaining about negativity and lack of community? Who knew.  
		
		#31711 posted by quakeulf  on 2020/10/07 12:15:16onetruepurple:
What have I done that have angered you so much and what would it take to undo it?
 
		 Don't Get Fucking Cute. My post was clear.  
		
		
		Isn't that kind of the case with any online 'community'?  There are sadly always people who disparage others and people who only want a clique (even if they're not aware of being in one).  Those people tend to have more voice (and therefore sway) than the reasonable people in any given group.
 I find it really hard to cultivate any real presence in para-social groups for that very reason.  There's always some mouthpiece (usually under the guise of "just saying how it is" or "just being honest") that taints it for me and I end up leaving for a while only to come back later as a stranger.
 
 I don't come online to niche communities to upset people.  I just want to talk about, say, Quake.  I'm not interested in why I'm "wrong" all the bloody time or being sneered at for being "butt hurt" when I do call people out.
 
 /whinge ends.
 
		
		#31714 posted by quakeulf  on 2020/10/07 18:54:58I have no one. I am an outsider. I have no relation to anyone here. Which is why I ask. I desire to know why things are like this.
 onetruepurple:
 I still would like to know what I can do to undo what wrongdoings I have done in the past.
 
		 @quakeul #31715 posted by madfox  on 2020/10/07 22:22:03I haven't got the idea you did something wrong, you just entered the space of a person  who has no compassion with others.  
		
		
		Madfox I have lots of compassion for you.  
		 True #31717 posted by madfox  on 2020/10/08 01:09:17I' m most surprised by the way statements sometimes
get rushed with your adequad comments, I turn into purple.
 
		 Quakeulf Ignore the cunt. It's brilliant but deeply flawed.  
		
		
		I still would like to know what I can do to undo what wrongdoings I have done in the past.
 Acknowledge that Quake maps made for engines with extended limits are still Quake maps. (You rather infamously said otherwise.)
 
 Acknowledge that modern Quake is still Quake. (Same.)
 
 Acknowledge that you are not, in fact, the only person still mapping for Quake 2. (As per the above.)
 
 Acknowledge that func isn't a place for "Quake 2 haters" simply for prefering Quake 1. (That one thread about Sanic Mayhem or however was it called).
 
 Then maybe reflect a bit on your original question.
 
		 Wtf Is Going On Here #31720 posted by fw  on 2020/10/09 10:29:45Reading this thread is like reading an acid-trip laden fight between two people I'm hearing from an apartment over.
 As for Qulf,
 
 >I am rather saddened by the state of the /vr/-doom threads now which are 99% "your favorite game sux no valid reason given".
 
 - Welcome to 4chan, it is not an accurate representation of the community and it's literally designed to stunt any community interaction. Leave that shit behind and never think of it again, it can only improve your outlook on the community.
 
 >Then there are those who pin the blame on someone from the Quake mapping community called "Alf" and it creates the worst kind of discourse.
 
 - This sounds like some very old garbage that you shouldn't bother with. Stop listening to nobodies on the state of the somebody community.
 
 >As I have gotten blocked by certain people on twitter for no reason given (so far) it really does not help build a community.
 
 - Twitter is also not the Quake community, I will personally say your constant usage of the catface is extremely annoying, but not enough to block you. As we mentioned a few months ago, you're most likely on some kind of block list, either that or the people who have you blocked have you blocked for a reason you're not willing to reconcile or talk about, which seems more likely.
 
 >I really hope that something can be done with this, as it is the main reason I am not more active. When we are so few there is no reason to have a few bad seeds ruin it all...
 
 -The bad seeds really don't ruin it all, if I am to be frank with you, it seems like you've got some personal issues that you need to sort out. I've personally seen you discredit modern Quake mapping, Quake in and of itself, and many Quake 2 things so.. maybe you should do some introspection before throwing stones?
 
		
		
		acid-trip laden fight
 This cuts deep, friend.
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