 Tronyn:
#4731 posted by bear on 2012/06/10 10:41:47
Maybe they're just using bio-engineering as an art form, they get to play gods/angels and then stage epic mythological scenes of Ragnar�k/Hell on earth...
Anyway I liked the 3D-scanning probes in Prometheus and apart from perhaps the tiny levitating sphere part they don't seem that far off into the future (bet DARPA already got one...). Wonder when Google will send out swarms of quad-copters equipped with cameras and 3d scanning tech to map the whole world for Google Earth. Handling the massive amount of data would be the hardest problem.
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#4732 posted by Tronyn on 2012/06/10 11:13:13
Maybe this POV is ridiculous, but it seems to me like Scott had a choice back in 1978 or whatever, and his choice was, "NOT 2001." Now I love Arthur C Clarke. I consider him one of the most profound human beings to ever translate thought to the written word. But In 1979 Scott said no to that, it's like a junkie who said no to Narcotics Anon on the principle (in fact the identical principle) of being anti-superstition!
...But the lack of any higher idea is a big, important part of agreeing to exist in this.
 Basically
#4733 posted by Tronyn on 2012/06/10 11:14:16
No, Scott, you will NEVER touch Kubrick!
and you would have done better to leave him alone - Dave!!!!
 Prometheus Again:
#4734 posted by bear on 2012/06/10 13:21:01
Spoilers? ! ?
The movie has nothing to to with aliens or god. Searching for god only turns out to be a non terminating quest as always. What they find instead of aliens is "Humanity 2.0" which has god like powers to tamper with life and is not only dangerous to the current version of humanity but also to itself.
 Bear
#4735 posted by nitin on 2012/06/10 13:42:34
glad someone else thought the same re Tintin (although I'm one of the few who liked Indy 4), a couple of the set pieces were good but most left me scratching my head.
 Prometheus
#4736 posted by Drew on 2012/06/11 06:45:24
Saw tonight. Thoroughly enjoyed in theatre but doesn't hold up now that I'm thinking it over, in so many respects. An interesting mess though, better than I'd expected from the word going round and def more interesting than avengers in long run. Disagree that it's going in a Clarke trajectory, still fairly Zizek. Agree about stupid characters, so so acting. Worried about next ones but wil be in theatre to see em.
 Prom
#4737 posted by Ridley Scott on 2012/06/12 15:05:36
 Jeff Who Lives At Home
#4738 posted by RickyT33 on 2012/06/14 01:50:32
OK, if you like EMO movies like Hesher, or Forest Gump or Good Will H. or suchlike, you will probably love this. (I know F.G. and G.W.H. are pretty high-brow and legendary films, but the sentiment is in a similar vein).
I dunno, I watch a lot of random films, I can't think of all of the movies that are 'EMO' as such, but anyway....
Just thought that the film had great character dev, and played with my opinions of the characters in just the right way. Really enjoyed it. Also quite cleverly put together I thought. And the performances were just so (in a good way).
 Johnny Mnemonic
#4739 posted by Shambler on 2012/06/15 12:36:51
Watched this solely to pass an evening and because I have been playing Deus Ex 3 and reading The Wind Up Girl so was happy to have a cyberpunk vibe irrespective of the quality. Well it certainly did cyberpunk....at it's worst. Utter drivel, exceptionally dated, appallingly "acting" and dialogue, cliched garbage in all respects. 1/2 a point for the Oriental boss who was not quite as dire as the rest, 1/2 a point for being ticking the cliche boxes so relentlessly well = 1/10
 Chronicle
#4740 posted by Shambler on 2012/06/15 12:40:02
Watched this solely because....it was recommended and looked pretty cool in the trailer. Well it certainly was pretty cool and by "pretty cool" I mean "really good". Well put together, nice take on the superpowers genre, good characters, and a great escalation from lowkey beginnings to a good finale. Good job all round. Something/10
 Johnny Mnemonic
#4741 posted by starbuck on 2012/06/15 14:30:05
I think last time I saw that I was eleven. Wasn't the plot that Keanu has the ability to store computer files in his brain? So he moves illegal files around for shady dudes and the authorities are non the wiser. Pretty hilariously dated concept.
I'd like to see a modern update where Keanu just takes a bunch of free USB drives from a conference and shoves them up his ass. Or uses the internet.
 Mnemonic Oriental Boss = Takeshi Kitano
#4742 posted by bal on 2012/06/15 14:34:21
So yeah he rocks, dunno what the hell he's doing in that movie.
#4743 posted by rj on 2012/06/15 18:34:27
i thought chronicle went way too OTT at the end, which was a shame because i loved the rest of it. the whole way through i was thinking it was nice to see a low-budget superpowers movie focused on characters and believable dialogue, as opposed to epic action setpieces... then it ended with a bunch of high-budget epic action setpieces. it's still good, just could have been better
#4744 posted by [Kona] on 2012/06/16 03:14:41
keanu reeves, as cool and good looking as he is, is pretty lame as an actor. I watched Bill & Ted the other day and it's quite amazing that he managed to continue a career after his abysmal and annoying acting in that. he was even worse than the other nobody actor that went nowhere.
having said that, he has been in some movies i really enjoyed - point break, constantine, street kings, even the matrix and the lake house (with the equally annoying sandra bullock). even with his annoying acting and voice.
can't really remember Johnny Mnemonic, i'm sure i've seen it though. Ice T and Dolph Lundgren give me a pretty good idea of the quality though.
 Prometheus
#4745 posted by Kinn on 2012/06/18 20:57:41
Just saw the film in an empty theatre, as is my style, and I have to say I thought the film was much MUCH better than what the autistic nerdrage of the internet would like me to believe.
Not quite up there with Alien (what is?), but definately on a par with Aliens imo, and a lot better than any of the other Alien sequels.
What some might see as plotholes or plot threads that lead nowhere, I saw as opportunities to exercise my imagination and ponder the questions they asked. I don't agree that films have to spell everything out to the viewer, and I usually find it pretty patronising and dull when they do.
 Rj, Chronicle.
#4746 posted by Shambler on 2012/06/19 15:51:04
That was one of the main reasons that I liked it - the excessive display of powers at the end came as quite a shock after the rest of the film, and made it more gripping and effective than if the film had been saturated in action already like most such films are.
But I can see your point too.
Kinn: autistic nerdrage makes the interweb go round :)
 Total Recall
#4747 posted by Tronyn on 2012/06/20 10:43:35
oh man, for some reason I'd never seen this film before, lots of fun despite the cheesy aesthetic. The scifi mindfuck genre is one of my favourite types of movie.
 Prometheus...
#4748 posted by Shambler on 2012/06/20 12:33:27
Why was the Engineer infecting himself at the start? What was the ship at the start?
If this is supposed to be the Engineer dissolving himself to produce human life, why does the planet look like LV-whatever and why does the fluid look like their black fluid later on?
What were the Engineers in the holo-recording running from?
Assuming there are at least 3 stages of Alien micro-evolution (parasite via consumption, squid via secondary infection (impregnation by parasite host), Alien via tertiary infection)...
Why was there a bas-relief of an Alien behind the Engineer head?
Why the change in the nature of the lifeform?
Why did she "give birth" to a squid?
Assuming the oral infection of the abandoned human duo by the "cute" tentacle thing and the oral infection of the enginner by the squid were the same, how did the cute tentacle thing develop?
Assuming the cute tentacle thing is a black-fluid induced development of the maggot worms (similar to how the fluid mutated tattooed geologist), where did the worms come from?
How was David communicating with Weyland senior via a mask (before Vickers interrogated him)?
Why were Weyland also trying to infect humans and how did they know how to do that? Was this Weyland senior's instructions?
Why was Weyland senior kept a mystery?
Why did David want Weyland senior to die ("dont all children want their parents to die")?
Why is the surgery machine only configured for one gender and why does Vickers have it? If it was for Weyland, why was it in her quarters?
Why does Shaw have a change of heart and accompany the Weyland team even though Fassbender tried to use her as a host?
Why does no-one bat an eyelid about Shaw's near-birth experience?
 Shambler
#4749 posted by bal on 2012/06/20 12:41:23
Please exercise your imagination and ponder these (deep) questions, instead of venting your autistic internet nerdrage...
Yeah the script is a fucking mess, good thing we have books!
 Hehe.
#4750 posted by Shambler on 2012/06/20 12:46:33
I don't have the nerdrage this time, I mostly really liked the film, I thought the first 2/3 was brilliant and the who Alien/s sci-fi style of it was great, last 1/3 was okay and it was a mess of loose ends and inconsistencies transitioning towards the end. I think some questions are there for pondering as Kinn implies, but some are a bit WTF?? Hence that post...
 Yeah...
#4751 posted by bal on 2012/06/20 12:56:06
I was pretty dissapointed, guess I was expecting too much. There's lots of cool stuff in there, but none of it ever felt believable to me, the characters, the science, the story.
I'm all for having mysterious things unexplained, that's what made the pilot in Alien so great, but here it just feels like a mess of random ideas.
I liked the start, the whole exploration/discovery thing is great, wish it had continued more in that style for a bit longer.
 If They Get
#4752 posted by nitin on 2012/06/20 13:44:42
rid of the the final scene, I think a lot more people would be happier because then it actually would be more open ended for interpretation rather than be very messily linked in to Alien with contradictory logic.
 And Tronyn
#4753 posted by nitin on 2012/06/20 13:45:21
TR is very cool, remake looks bland but apparently more in line with the book.
 Nitin.
#4754 posted by Shambler on 2012/06/20 13:48:21
There's still the bas-relief of an Alien in the Engineer shrine though.
Also why is there a shrine / temple at all, hmmm?
 Shambler
#4755 posted by nitin on 2012/06/20 14:38:51
cant answer that.
But my point was simply that it would leave less contradictory explanations, not remove all of the inconsistencies. As it is, apart from a cheap direct tie in, that scene serves no purpose and makes things worse.
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