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Why was the Engineer infecting himself at the start? What was the ship at the start?
If this is supposed to be the Engineer dissolving himself to produce human life, why does the planet look like LV-whatever and why does the fluid look like their black fluid later on? It can represent any lifeless planet, not just Earth. It shows how the Engineers seed life. The black goo reconfigures the dna of an organism in some way. The goo in the intro was used to reconfigure the engineer into a microbial soup that presumably becomes the starting point for an entire planet's ecosystem. The goo later in the film had different functions, but still was all about reconfiguring dna, that's the common link with the goos. What were the Engineers in the holo-recording running from? Xenos? Tentacle beasts? The specifics are not important, but it's obvious that their engineered bioweapons had backfired on them. Assuming there are at least 3 stages of Alien micro-evolution (parasite via consumption, squid via secondary infection (impregnation by parasite host), Alien via tertiary infection)... Why was there a bas-relief of an Alien behind the Engineer head? They are proud of their creations. It's like going to BMW head office - I'm sure you'd find a framed picture of a car on a wall somewhere. Why the change in the nature of the lifeform? Do you mean "why does goo mutate an organism into something else?" or do you mean "why does the path go: infected mutant -> facehugger thing -> xenomorph thing?" If 1) then, the goo found on LV-233 was bioweapon goo and turned things into bioweapons. If 2), then I would say "because it's body horror and more gross/disturbing/alien to show a convoluted reproductive pathway that includes multiple stages of different monsters". The same question could be asked of Alien/Aliens - why can't the xenos just reproduce directly? Because throwing facehuggers into the mix makes it more disturbing and "alien". Why did she "give birth" to a squid? Let's work backwards - to create a xenomorph you need a facehugger. Facehuggers come from Alien Queens - a type of xeno. So how do you get a facehugger if no xenos exist? That was never explained (lol) in any Alien films, but Prometheus gives us that answer. In some way, Shaw became the Alien Queen. Assuming the oral infection of the abandoned human duo by the "cute" tentacle thing and the oral infection of the enginner by the squid were the same, how did the cute tentacle thing develop? AFAIK, the "cute" cock-snake didn't infect anything, it was just a mutated worm bioweapon that killed stuff. It killed Milburn, and didn't get to attack anyone else, apart from acid spraying Fifield, who then faceplanted into the goo, and became a goo-mutant bioweapon himself, like the cock-snake. Dunno if this answers your question, you'd need to go into more specifics as to exactly what you're asking here. Assuming the cute tentacle thing is a black-fluid induced development of the maggot worms (similar to how the fluid mutated tattooed geologist), where did the worms come from? indigenous life How was David communicating with Weyland senior via a mask (before Vickers interrogated him)? Weyland was in a sort of pseudo-cryo-sleep state that preserved his dying body and had to communicate via some sort of brainwave interface. I dunno, this one is easily handwaved away with "it's the FUTURE" Why were Weyland also trying to infect humans and how did they know how to do that? Was this Weyland senior's instructions? Weyland weren't trying to infect humans but David used his own initiative and infected Holloway after Weyland's instructions to "try harder". Weyland wanted answers, and David was determined to get those answers. Holloway sort of unwittingly gave his consent to David "what would you do?" "anything and everything". And David, being a sinister as fuck robot, did what he thought would yield answers. Why was Weyland senior kept a mystery? To mask the true nature of the mission i.e. that Weyland could meet god and request immortality (all other crew expendable). Why did David want Weyland senior to die ("dont all children want their parents to die")? Eh I dunno, you got me. SINISTER ROBOT. Why is the surgery machine only configured for one gender and why does Vickers have it? If it was for Weyland, why was it in her quarters?
The lifeboat (i.e. "her quarters") was never meant for Vickers, only Weyland. Why does Shaw have a change of heart and accompany the Weyland team even though Fassbender tried to use her as a host? She wanted to know wtf the Engineers were playing at with all their goo, tentacle shenanigans. She had no idea that David was up to stuff, or how Holloway got infected, so why would she have any animosity towards David? Or the rest of the crew? Why does no-one bat an eyelid about Shaw's near-birth experience? I didn't notice anything wrong here, maybe I'd need to watch it again, but that said - who else knows about it? David knew obviously but AFAIK, everyone else had other shit to worry about whilst Shaw was aborting it. Maybe a couple of medical personal knew, but they weren't in any scenes afterward were they? +2 informative, I want to have your alien parasite babies.
Some good answers there, especially about David and Weyland. A few that still stand out. Engineers proud of Aliens....hmmm okay so maybe the temple is a shrine to their bio-weapons?? I still don't get the large variety of xenos from squids to Aliens themselves?? Unless the squids are the original precursor and anything Alien-esque is depend on the species they have impregnated... Are you sure the cute cock wasn't trying to impregnate Millburn? And... Surely Shaw would suspect something was up with David when he refused to help her abort the Squidien?? And surely she would be a bit suspicious about WTF is going on and why was that thing in me?? AFAIK the other female doctor was one of the people trying to put Shaw in quarantine, and yet she is there with Shaw on Weylands trip into the Engineer ship, without any questions?? (I am assuming that David would have liked to have had more control over Shaw after her failed gestation, but at that time he had to focus on serving Weyland more??). Ta, xxx "In some way, Shaw became the Alien Queen."
Oh, like Queen Elizabeth, get it, the virgin queen? Time to start a blog about how Prometheus is all about Tudor history and how the Engineers were basically not happy with Henry VIII having six wives. And Ridley is english after all. +2 informative, I want to have your alien parasite babies.
Some good answers there, especially about David and Weyland. Cheers, although I'll admit there are plenty of areas that I'm still fuzzy about. A few that still stand out. Engineers proud of Aliens....hmmm okay so maybe the temple is a shrine to their bio-weapons?? I don't know what the exact role of the temple was. It could have been where they engineered/manufactured the goo before it was transfered to storage in the ships (remember in the flying croissant ship they had thousands of goo canisters packed densely together). It could have just been a display room. Who knows? Ultimately the exact purpose of that room is unimportant to the story. The giant head and the murals do appear to be decorative though, and a sort of celebration of the life they create. I still don't get the large variety of xenos from squids to Aliens themselves?? Unless the squids are the original precursor and anything Alien-esque is depend on the species they have impregnated... The "squid" was just a big prototype facehugger, and facehuggers are basically just the reproductive organs of xenomorphs, existing independantly as a very specialised organism. Xenomorphs looke different depending on the host, because they obviously get some of the host's dna. I guess in some way this allows them to be optimally configured for killing the host species (e.g. the engineer-born xenomorph was very big, and when fully grown could probably kill an engineer easily. A human-born xenomorph is smaller and can kill a human easily, but maybe it wouldn't be so good against an engineer). Why was the "squid" facehugger a giant lumbering beast, whilst regular facehuggers are small and start in eggs? I'm guessing here but maybe because the squid is like the starting point for a xenomorph colony it has to be very big and aggressive and independant. It needs to aggressively hunt down a suitable host in order to seed the first xenomorph (which I'm assuming will be a queen). Once the queen is born, then I guess the queen can do a lot more of the heavy lifting (i.e. capture the initial hosts), and it only needs to produce small facehuggers from then on, to impregnate already captured hosts. Just my theory. Are you sure the cute cock wasn't trying to impregnate Millburn? I don't know to be honest. It was still alive after it was done with Milburn, which was inconsistent with the behaviour of more traditional facehuggers, which die after impregnating something. Could just have been a simple killing machine. Will try to tackle your other queries later... Surely Shaw would suspect something was up with David when he refused to help her abort the Squidien?? And surely she would be a bit suspicious about WTF is going on and why was that thing in me??
Firstly, wasn't David trying to put her in cryosleep so that they could deal with the squidien back on Earth? Perhaps he thought it was too risky to go dicking with the squidien whilst on the ship right now, with limited knowledge of just what the hell they were dealing with. Sounds like a pretty rational and sensible approach but of course Shaw wanted it out of her right now. As for being suspicious about why it was in her? She knew it came from the infected Holloway, and she thought Holloway got infected by accidental exposure in the caves, and she did not at any point suspect David's shenanigans, or other foul play. AFAIK the other female doctor was one of the people trying to put Shaw in quarantine, and yet she is there with Shaw on Weylands trip into the Engineer ship, without any questions?? I dunno maybe the "sorry for trying to freeze you" and "that's ok, sorry for hitting you" conversation took place off-camera :} (I am assuming that David would have liked to have had more control over Shaw after her failed gestation, but at that time he had to focus on serving Weyland more??). Yes absolutely, at that point in the story it was "all hands on deck, let's get Weyland to the engineer before he dies of old age", and any other shit would have to be dealt with later. Thanks.
The giant squid explanation was a good one :). My girlfriend is STILL complaining that she shouldn't have given birth to a squid and that it should have been something more human-derived, but to be honest I am happy with your theory that squids/facehuggers are sort of reproductive organs and the squid style one is a primitive pre-cursor to more specific xeno ones. One more thing....Shaw being strangely unsuspicious....I get how she might have been unsuspicious of David, although he is pretty fucking creepy in that scene, he is in general so perhaps she didn't suspect him. But my point was more, why was she not more wary of going back in the temple given that it just terminally infected her boyfriend who then caused her to gestate a squid. Avoiding the temple like the fucking plague might make more sense?? I liked it. Spoilers? Film's at least a few years old anyway. The mermaid girl was a bit much / conventional, and it was clearly based on Shadow Over Innsmouth not Dagon, but they totally captured the degenerate village feel and the threat from the sea. One of the better Lovecraft films.
Too bad del Toro's At The Mountains of Madness is never coming. If this is supposed to be the Engineer dissolving himself to produce human life, why does the planet look like LV-whatever and why does the fluid look like their black fluid later on?
I think I read shortly before watching it that it was shot in Iceland so I was just thinking "ok here's an alien dude in the past on Iceland". The pre-alien intro Iclandic footage was very nice in any case. Random annoying part from the movie: arriving at an unknown planet (planets are huge, mkay?) looking for something unknown and just descending to the surface and going "hey let's go down this canyon" and landing in just the right place. Kinn's link was hilarious and it only covered a few of Shambler's questions. The other guy's confused facial expressions contributed awesomely to the humour. I'm fine with things being unexplained as in Alien, even all the way up to the Twin Peaks level, but Prometheus's script was really just messy and incoherent. I've never seen Lost but apparently the guy who wrote that and Prometheus, tends to do that.
Also happy to see Abe Lincoln Vampire Hunter is getting ripped on. Oh, OF COURSE Tim Burton produced it. I'm starting to worry that he might actually be a zombie/vampire/etc and never retire. Though it is enjoyable to read critics coming up with creative ways of slamming people, like calling Johnny Depp Burton's "enabler." A few months ago a friend said, if you just killed five people in Hollywood, the ratio of good films would increase. And yes, landing in exactly the right place WAS RIDICULOUS, I thought that instantly. Well, this wasn't very good. Not completely terrible I guess, but I was very very tired when I saw it and I would have had a better time if I'd been asleep I think :-)
Saw this again on TV recently, forgot just how good it is. I remember it as a standardly entertaining Arnie sci-fi action thing, but I'd forgotten about all the plot twists (pretty good for an action blockbuster) and the one-liners and humour and stuff. Just a great film all round.
Now then....I know it's cool to hate on remakes, but.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx_9uxohMTI#ws so I'm pretty fucking wary. Doesn't look nearly as FUN to me. I know it's not necessarily a big deal, but they don't even go to mars.
its directed by the guy who did underworld and the worst die hard movie.
The only thing that really has me excited is Bryan Cranston. the new one looks just like generic scifi, whereas the original could almost be a cronenberg movie the tech is so rank and weird, plus it really captures Phillip K Dick's style of paranoid mindfuck.
hopefully I'm not the only one who finds this Arnold tribute band awesome: lol SEE YOU AT THE PARTY RICHTER http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woh6axk-0Kw&feature=relmfu COME ON COHAAGEN, GIVE DEEZ PEOPLE EHYAR http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykNy4WV6yzw&feature=relmfu SCREW YOU, BENNY is another one based on Total Recall but I think these two are the best. Hard to believe that The Dark Knight Rises is so close now. The Dark Knight was such an intense film to see in theatres. How can they NOT go to mars? That was the whole point of the big setup.
Unless they do go to mars and this is all just one big mind fuck... The story it's based off of, 'We Can Remember it for You Wholesale', takes place entirely within the confines of the memory-generation office. It's more of a dark comedy piece than anything else.
It just won't be the same without Arnie. TR is a classic in the scifi/action genre, one of the best.
I caught the Arnhold era, he was the best of the 80's action stars, and those movies were so ridiculously macho, and often retarded. And as males we still buy into that ridiculous shit, however subconsciously, and that fact is socially destructive I'm sure. But it seems like there will never be another ARNOLD. Maybe that's even a good thing. heh.
Colin Farrel? seriously!! has been quite good in his last few movies (actually Tronyn, I think you will like In Bruges) but the problem with the Total Recall remake isnt going to be him, it will be Len Wiseman.
As for Arnie, he made a few good movies and the original Total Recall is definitely one of them, even though I think Paul Verheoven's demented humour had more to do with me liking it than Arnie. Cannot believe there is a band called See you at the Part Richta, love that line.
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