All the p1mping, all the previews, all the mapping angst, but with 100% less product than other leading Quake sites (note: may contain artificial sweeteners). 

VB, at the last count there were 15,021 Quake maps out there - have you checked all of them for suitability for trick-jumping?? If not, do so. 

I'm not interested in Sin primarily because of their distribution method - I don't know much about the game yet but given the original had no appeal I can't imagine this will either. Saw a few screenshots and they were shit.

Anyway, I think focusing on purchasing/downloading it online is gash though (as with HL2) and I hope this method of distribution is a fast-dying gimmick.

Sure, STEAM has its problems, and that is why I'd prefer to keep buying games on reliable physical media for the foreseeable future. 

Looks like a fast (good) version of Q3a (utter shit), where at least you can see the other players (unlike Q3a - good), but there still seems to be gash-all damage feedback (like Q3a - bad).

So I don't really fucking know. Definitely too much like Q3a tho...

Weapon models look okay, the machine gun thing is a bit gey, rest are fine. 

I'm slightly bewildered by all these people saying "omfg! sin looks so crap!" and then looking at some shit like FEAR and saying "OMFG! LOOK HOW AMAZING THAT LOOKS! IT HAS TEH BULLET TIME SLO MOTION AND SHADOWS THAT MOVE AND FIST FIGHTING!! AMAZING!" when actually the only thing that looks cool is all the debris that flies all over the place in firefights.

I think the shots of sin look far better than most of the fps games that are being touted as the next great thing, with the only exceptions being STALKER, HL2 Lost Coast and Alan Wake (not an FPS, but I put it in the same category because I can't possibly lump it with the shit that clogs up the 3rd person action genre.) There is at least some original looking design and character to the art displayed in the shots. The same can't really be said for what I've seen for many of the other big name FPS games. 

Shambler: There is the odd map or two that is suitable enough for freestyle (hint: not the plain old trickjumping you are likely thinking of) but none really made specifically for it, which is really needed for it to reach its potential. 

Hmmm I would be surprised if you hadn't missed quite a few maps. Even off the top of my head I can think of some large scale SP maps, coagula style maps, and speedmaps that could work well for "freestyle" ( http://www.besmella-quake.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=73 - ummm, so that will be trickjumping, then).


Than you are deluded I saw the shots of sin when there were posted, the looked like Daikatana Ep4 but with brighter colours.

As for FEAR, blah, it's irrelevant now. 

method of distribution for the death of several independant developers who concentrated on PC titles, like Looking Glass and Ion Storm, as 1) compromises in the game play forced on the product by the publihisher drove away hard core gamers in the case of Invisible War, 2) cost overhead of keeping large publishing houses in the black make the break even mark too steep for the independant's to obtain in a narrow market setting; so you get both lackluster game play and less risk taking with the developers trying to appeal to a generalized, console oriented market.

So, I'm hoping the Sin/Steam distribution suceeds, as the viability of PC gaming (outside of the multiplayer market) may actually depend on it. 

That would probably aleviate some concerns of the consumer. 

Steam does offer you the ability to burn a copy to disk You can either just copy the steam data files youself or use the backup utility within steam. Of course, this copy still requires steam, but I think that's unlikely to change... 

I am looking forward to this, a lot. Sin was a great game stuffed full of neat ideas and I'm hoping this will be more of the same. I think Sin got quite a bit of bad press because it came out at the same time as HL, and I get the impression that Activision compelled Ritual to let it ship it in a blatantly incomplete state, just so that they could beat HL onto the shelves by a week or so. I replayed Sin a lot more times than HL, simply because it was far less linear, with more opportunity for mucking about: It was fun and didn't take itself too seriously. Actually I reinstalled it once the Sin Episodes news hit and discovered that apart from that awful vertex crawling effect you get on md2 animations, it has aged fairly well, it's still a fun game.

Admittedly it's daft being so excited about a game when all we've seen is a handful of screens (incidentally, several of the same shots were printed in PC Gamer UK from a higher-res source where they looked a hell of a lot better than the online versions), but stuff said about the gameplay in PCG and other interviews is really encouraging.

Also, I have no problem with Steam. It seems to do its job well. As a copy protection method I find it infinitely preferable to bullshit CD/DVD-based systems like securom, which caused me problems with lots of games released last year.

All this Ritual talk reminds me, does anyone know if it's possible to get FAKK2 running under Windows XP? 

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I'm drunk, so post #666 (YES 666, that's correct) really took me by storm. 

As I said already, there is a few random maps with a few random tricks. But none designed specifically for it for doing runs, linked tricks etc.

Hence me mentioning it here.

Of course it is trickjumping, but not the boring kind we've seen up 'til now in Q1 (hint: watch a video like The Cure for Gravity or Trebuchet).

The need is there, futile to debate it, sorry mate. 

in xp (SP 1 though).

What's the problem you're getting shallow ? 

I am running XP Pro with service pack 2.

A little error dialogue pops up which unhelpfully says "Undocumented: Failed, code 1" just after the splash screen. It does the same thing if I try NT compatibility mode. In 95 and 98 compatibility modes I get a generic XP 'serious error blahblah' message before the splash screen comes up.

This is running v1.00 by the way. I'm unable to apply the patches since they seem to think Fakk2 isn't even installed, I'm thinking that either Take 2 messed around with the installer for the budget release in some way, or perhaps their is an international version of the patch which neither Ritual nor Take 2 have on their sites.

Did you have any trouble getting it going nitin, or did it just work for you? 

HELLO INTERNET. 

Whoever you are, you're a fucking cock - and a boringly unclever one at that - and once again I wish the moderators had the power to delete posts.

VB: Well, GL then. When you don't get much response you'll probably start digging in the crates more. And yeah, I watched a video, looked like there could be some impressive stuff but the fucking awful engine crap and other stuff distracted from the quality of the tricks. Do a normal Quake video and I'd be more interested. 

I don't mean any beef like that but I firmly believe that people should explore what's out there. And, I respect what you're doing, but I can;t get a clear perspective on it with engine mods.

Anyway, enough, blah. 

lunaran, of course, but zou had no fucking scope! 

The sad thing is, that post by 82.96.100.100 - I thought it was written in Vietmanese at first. 

lunaran, of course, but zou had no fucking scope!

so what's your point, that there's a graphical overlay when you zoom in? 

worked fine for me, version patched to 1.10, but like I said I'm running it on XP pro but SP1. SP2 buggers a few things up so I stuck with SP1. 

did this not get mentioned here? or did i miss it?

http://pc.ign.com/articles/641/641567p1.html 

I gave it a go some time back when CodeArena was active. Q3 has some of the most difficult pathing
I have ever seen (Windows NT being the OS of choice for Id at the time may have had something to do with it).

With Q1 and Q2 you can put the code anywhere on your hard drive and have it compile, but Q3, whoah, it is picky, picky. I solved the problem for myself by putting GCC, the source and components (Q3ASM I believe) all in the same file and compiling it. Good Times.

I'd love to see what is under the hood there. Q3 runs quite lovely on the P2 300, where as QFusion chokes on this lower end system. I have got to stop blowing my money, and get a proper Motherboard.