Maybe this thread should be locked and a new quoth2 thread started as this is so full of pain, hurt and gnashing of teeth! 

I won't command your map, as long as you don't others

I started my basepack startmap, stayed in tune with my base participants, tried to understand the rules, added some positive recall,

and released my map aside, saw everyone happily ever quoting, didn't understand the fuzz it was evoluating.

But it didn't harm my map enthousiasme in anyway.

For some years I had the abandon pak. I wanted to release it and decided to ask peope on this board how they liked it.
In that time I didn't realize this board is about quality mapping, while I intended to illustrate the evoluaition of a mapper. So I ended up in the same mockery of rubbish I now see happening with the base pak.
My only intention was to build something in cooperation with others, not to get the blast of poor mapping abbilties or other delays.
I finnaly released it on my own, which was a real aprehension.

indeed I have the same wrenched intention you must have now...
but least you can�t say we didn�t tried. 

I'm going to pull out because I don't know when I'm going to get a good chance to finish my map. It sure as hell isn't going to be in the next five days. Sorry about that :(

I will probably just release my maps (I have another map near complete that uses the new Quoth progs too) when I am able to finish them sometime next year.

Good luck to everyone else.

p.s. this isn't an excuse to start another pointless flame war. 

As far as I understood, Quoth2 is progressing well, and it is definitively a good information IMHO ;) 

Quoth to me is DEAD...

just this... i only will play new maps becouse i fucking love Quake!!!

and now merry christmas to all

and kell and necros i dont hate you guys :p

please just keep making quake maps becouse you guys rockssssss 

for the inspiration and impetus that kept the project going.

p.s. this isn't an excuse to start another pointless flame war.

I have to admit the last pointless flame war knocked the wind out of my sails for mapping. I kind of started the Zer turtle map project to hammer out a quick map, and get a little traction going again to finish the two maps I'm committed to at the moment.

I'm looking forward to where ever your maps take you and everyone who has the good fortune to play them. 

I think was nearly finished last time preacher sent out an update. It IS in a good state, it's just everyone is busy with other stuff and doesn't have time to map. It's a bit of a shame that we've not been able to finish it after over a year. Maybe the mod should be tidied up and released with Kell's special map (nearly done I think...) and then everyone else can release their quoth 2 compatible maps whenever they are ready to. 

Exactely what I understood: definitively a very very good news !!! It was painful, but at least it happened...
Now stupid question: is there a remaining mapper for Base Pack ? :P 

wait, are you bowing out becuase you're not ready and everyone else is, or because you're ready and nobody else is? Becuase if you're not ready AND nobody else is ready, then it sounds like you can stay in :) 

well, I'm not sure anyone else is ready either. Haven't heard from Biff for AGES, despite him saying he was nearly at beta. There aren't exactly a lot of emails flying around between the rest of us either. I assume nobody is actually ready, but just think maybe it would be best if the actual mod stuff and maybe one or two maps were released and the pack was forgotten about with everyone free to release their maps as they pleased.

Of course, if everyone else is still up for it, then maybe it's a better idea to keep going and try releasing the pack when everyone is ready, or at least most of the maps are done. 

Without being sarcastic, I think the 3rd option is the good one... :P 

so if the mod is ready and the maps aren't, why is that a good reason to cancel the pack? The maps may need the mod, but it's not like the mod needs the maps in order to be released. 

... Yes, I fully agree on that point, the mod should be release, and then the pack "revitalized"... if it has ever been alive... though...

I guess Quoth2 owners have thier idea BTW... 

1072 posts. That's kind of alive, yeah? 

Having 1072 posts doesn't mean Base Pack is alive IMHO... It means some people have some interest to post there... but concerning the pack itself, "aliveness" is not a certainty.
Let's see what will happen after Quoth2... :P 

Apart from a few sounds we need to scrounge together, all of the quoth pak1 content is done.
All we have to do now is finish writing up the tutorial and last testing. There are currently no bugs left to fix :) We'll probably send a release candidate to what's left of the base pack mappers first, just in case. Then we'll release proper.
Give us a week or two.

In the meantime, here are some screenshots of the next map in the Dimension Of The Doomed remake. It's finished and will be included in the pak1 to follow on from e1m1quoth. I'll post these in the screenshots thread too.

http://kell.leveldesign.org/screenshots/ss-e1m2quoth-rose.jpg
http://kell.leveldesign.org/screenshots/ss-e1m2quoth-ya.jpg
http://kell.leveldesign.org/screenshots/ss-e1m2quoth-sk.jpg
http://kell.leveldesign.org/screenshots/ss-e1m2quoth-beams.jpg

And see also my Q1SP release today, I Pity Thee Not.

That should keep you going for now. 

Great work, Kell!
Good to hear something from the front!

I still have this far concern about the BaseStart.map
As it is a map without warnings and leaks, and offers start parts to four participants I still feel it is a good thing.

http://members.home.nl/gimli/base.jpg

So if there is hope, there is life!
Here's the bsp, so if anyone has an id or wants to check it out...

http://members.home.nl/gimli/basestart.rar

it's only a beta stage, so you can call me a bas(e)start!
Happy Newyear all! 

Those shots are nice! I like the idea of remix'd id originals. 

i still got one map with quoth2 but i dont tuch it something like 6 month... but is maby 80% made more 1 month of work... let�s see what happend here... i�m making a Maya map... if the pack still going i will put Maya in standby and finish the quoth2 one. 

It is a very good news :D ... and as I'm working on a new Base map project (far to be finished... 50% ready only..) I will use Quoth2 for sure...
I will look forward to Quoth2 release with a lot of interest ;) 

Whats the status of this pack? :) 

To be honest, I'm not even sure who is in charge of the base pack, and I've been doing quoth2 coding for the past 6 months. I'm sure if the pack was ready to go they would have told me though, because quoth2 is done and if any maps/packs were only waiting on it we'd release. As it is, people said they want full documentation available for quoth2 before we put it out, so there's no reason to release before the write-up is complete. 

AFAIK, Kell is polishing Quoth2 manual, and maybe some map examples, distrans has a map in beta test (still pending due to Quoth2 not deliverd...), and maybe some other people (like me) are waiting patiently for Quoth2 release before using it officially...

Maybe Base Pack will be revitalized after Quoth2 release, and will rebirth from its ashes after that... who knows ?

And actually, there is no official owner of this "project" indeed.... anybody interested ? 

Call it, er, what would you call it?

I wasn't even anywhere near a computer other than for the purpose of mixing music 'till about may last year.

I have a weird Base Map which I will probably be able to get sorted fairly soon. Like 1-2 weeks (heh, i guess lots have people have been caught with their trousers down over saying that before)

So why dont we re-co-ordinate something?

Hell, how many emails are still flying around to do with this thing?

Surely we need someone to tally up all of the content and organise the maps into a sequence, then playtest-as-we-go until its ready?

Or something like that?


Or maybe I'm just too impatient to get anything done? 

cause they'll all run under Quoth2 when it comes out, wont they?