#12898 posted by metlslime on 2007/10/22 09:24:45
Shuttle has the radiators on the back side of the payload bay doors, so the doors have to be opened on orbit.
So how do they keep the bats out?
 Or The Moths?
#12899 posted by metlslime on 2007/10/22 09:39:21
 Wow
#12900 posted by Lunaran on 2007/10/22 14:05:35
why didn't anyone else notice that, I guess spaceship conceptual design has been completely wrong for forty years, good call bamz!
 Sure, But
#12901 posted by negke on 2007/10/22 15:02:48
they wouldn't look as cool. That's why Star Wars et al >>> Star Trek.
 It All Depends On The Assumptions
#12902 posted by bambuz on 2007/10/22 15:31:25
If there are magical force fields then you don't need any physical shielding on the ship. Or if the ship stays in space and doesn't go to atmospheres. Or doesn't move very fast so debris isn't a problem. One of the problems is that when you move at significant fraction of light speed, even tiny debris hits will destroy you unless you have some shielding. Probably everybody knows about Arthur C. Clarke's idea of flying a disk of ice far in front of the craft's flight path. This all is for interstellar journeys of course. Also you might want to minimize the frontal area so make the craft long and thin.
But if you assume some jump / teleportation technology, then all that doesn't matter, as it's possible that you never have to physically move that fast.
So before looking at what the spaceships would be like, you have to look at what they are used for and what technology is available.
And metl's moths: if someone had made that up, everybody would dismiss it as impossible. Who would have thought?!
 Cool Info
#12903 posted by megaman on 2007/10/22 18:26:37
great, exactly the kind of stuff i wanted =D
The scenario would be as realistic as possible in my case.
#12904 posted by Kell on 2007/10/22 21:28:38
The scenario would be as realistic as possible in my case.
That rules out artificial gravity, except as created by centrifuge.
 Gravity...
#12905 posted by bal on 2007/10/22 22:50:30
You don't need centrifuge if you're ship has a constant acceleration of 1g, just gotta turn the ship around at the midway point, or walk on the ceiling for the second half of the trip!
 Megaman
#12906 posted by bambuz on 2007/10/22 22:54:34
I'm interested in this stuff so come to irc if you wanna discuss...
 Bal
#12907 posted by necros on 2007/10/23 01:43:30
if you're only accelerating at 1g, you're in for a looong ride. :P
 Necros:
#12908 posted by metlslime on 2007/10/23 02:26:12
really? by my calculation it would take 350 days to reach the speed of light, which means you'd roughly have travelled 0.5 light-years after one year. The next year you'd travel 1.5 light-years, for a total of 2 light-years in two years, with your speed at the end being 2x the speed of light. Then you turn around, decelerate for 2 years, and it takes a total of 4 years to reach alpha centauri which is about 4 light-years away.
How long should it take? :)
#12909 posted by Kell on 2007/10/23 02:53:29
You don't need centrifuge if you're ship has a constant acceleration of 1g, just gotta turn the ship around at the midway point, or walk on the ceiling for the second half of the trip!
That only works if your journey is one way. For a ship that can dock, orbit, and manoeuvre you'd need something other than constant acceleration.
#12910 posted by necros on 2007/10/23 04:52:58
i don't have 4y to sit around in a tin can. :(
 Well...
#12911 posted by bal on 2007/10/23 08:49:50
Years are but seconds when talking about interstellar travel. =)
Kell for a ship that can dock, orbit, and manoeuvre, you just don't bother with gravity I'd imagine.
 Yeah
#12912 posted by megaman on 2007/10/23 10:55:41
also, we don't know anythng about these aliens.. they might be highly intelligent bacteria, or something, so maybe they don't really NEED gravity as much as we do.
 If You Were Such An Intelligent Bacteria
#12913 posted by bambuz on 2007/10/23 13:00:14
then you might be able to drop from orbit without a parachute or anything, just a pressure suit. You'd be so small you would decelerate at high altitude already and gently float to earth... or be carried around by winds.
:P
#12914 posted by Kell on 2007/10/23 13:01:01
we don't know anything about these aliens
So the spaceships are for invading aliens? If we don't know much about them, how are we supposed to know what would then be realistic?
Also: they might be highly intelligent bacteria
is itself unrealistic. Bacteria could not be intelligent in any meaningful use of the word. Intelligence isn't some vague, abstract property with which one can endow any speculative entity. Intelligence requires, by definition, the capacity to store and process vast amounts of information. Bacteria can't do that, at least not on a level challenging to us.
Very small organisms might theoretically be intelligent, but I suggest they would have to be something more than bacteria.
Anyway, how realistic do you want? Why do you need it to be that realistic?
 Bacteria
#12915 posted by SleepwalkR on 2007/10/23 13:49:52
... can of course display intelligent behaviour if three conditions are met:
1. there is a very large number of them
2. they can exchange information in a meaningful way
3. they can process that information
A single bacterium can not be intelligent however. I'm not a biologist, so I don't know whether it's possible at all for bacteria to meet all of the above criteria.
 Necros, Cheer Up
#12916 posted by BlackDog on 2007/10/23 13:58:11
Once you are travelling at a significant fraction of c you won't experience the years it'll take you to travel anywhere (relative to a "stationary" observer back on Earth, that is). That makes really long term travel more attractive.
Slightly.
 Also
#12917 posted by ijed on 2007/10/23 14:34:01
Relatively, you wouldn't age as fast. And you could probably get some great mapping done in four years in a can with nothing better to do. Unless it has a pool, of course. Or a Wii.
 SleepwalkR
#12918 posted by Kell on 2007/10/23 14:34:21
I think what you're implying is that enough bacteria working together constitute a sort of brain. Maybe. It's an idea I've given some imagining, except what I had in mind was more like an invertebrate species - starfish or jellyfish or the like - rather than single-celled organisms.
Anyway. It's what megaman has in mind I was wondering.
 How About The Zombie Effect
#12919 posted by RickyT33 on 2007/10/23 14:40:43
Nasty bacteria which cause dislikeable effects in humans such as killing them, causing their dead bodies to re-animate and develop a taste for blood?
 Yeah
#12920 posted by bambuz on 2007/10/23 15:24:41
the kernel of the alien consciousness could be packed in the bacteria: the brain would rearrange during the short period it was dead to form a functional tool for it. Then the aliens could have fun by being zombies and attacking humans.
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#12921 posted by megaman on 2007/10/23 17:20:56
i wasn't having much in mind, it was just a hint at how the aliens might not have the same requirements like we do.
Anyway, how realistic do you want? Why do you need it to be that realistic?
ATM, im just throwing thoughts around how to design the ships. of course i need to stick to the map layout, so it might change lots.
i just want to get a base of knowledge/ insight into stuff like this before i try to modify it to my needs. Know the rules!
My motivation is that plausibility is what i miss from modern games the most.
 Zombies? Pah!
#12922 posted by ijed on 2007/10/23 18:05:13
Parasites are the new virus'.
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