I know that in Germany, some customer defense organization, in order piss off Microsoft (cause of Vista's poor performances with standard PC) adviced people to systematically ask to re-install XP instead of Vista.

Also, in France, a free XP CD is provided with each new PC with Vista already installed...

And in my company, after some discussions with ITs, we are far away to switch to Vista...

Except the nice visual effects of Vista, what are the benefits to install it compared to XP ? Nothing ! It consumes more memory, needs more performances, for not a significant result.. so.. fuck Vista ! 

But vista is a prerequisite if you have anything at all to do with microsoft, including xbox. If you don't support it then you fail approval.

It's a shitty operating system but microsoft have allot of money, so they'll keep pushing it. 

That's why god invented Apple and OSX. :P

Note that the only reason Apple doesn't (seem to) hinder the performance of OSX is that much of its userbase is too technically-minded -- we'll actually notice. Last I checked, the company is concerned with making profits, which is definitely helped along by irrational fanboyz everywhere. Note that they do sneak certain things through under their own version of "don't be evil" (e.g. iPod encryption of your songs so that you can't easily use it to transfer music to your buddies). 

while drinking their moccha latte caramel lattice cumshots. 

 

 

Yeah, that idea had entered my head too...
To be fair, Macs look like they have a pretty nice interface nowadays. And they do operate pretty fast from what I've seen.

Sony - same fucking thing as what inertia was saying about i-tunes. PSPs for starters. My girlfriend has one I bought her for christmas 2 years ago. They will play mp3 files out of the box. And they recognise wma's but you can play a wma on your psp without first going online. Sony mp3 players - these fuckers wont just work on a normal USB cable, you need a special cable and I think there are file compatibility issues there also...

These things piss me off. You ever buy a sony CD recently. I was ripping my girfriends J-Lo CD onto the computer for HER, and you put the disk in the drive and it runs "SONY GENERIC MP3 MEGA SHIT SUITE V10.1000" and wont just let you at the songs...

>:-P 

"I Thought Macs Were Mostly Bought By Queers Who Want To Look Cool while drinking their moccha latte caramel lattice cumshots."

Yes, yes, and PCs are bought by ignorant cattle who don't know any better. :)

And iPods can play any MP3 you choose to load onto them. The only songs that get encrypted/DMA'd are ones you buy through the iTunes store.

"To be fair, Macs look like they have a pretty nice interface nowadays. And they do operate pretty fast from what I've seen. "

Hey, I'll go on record as saying that my Macbook Pro is the best laptop I have ever owned. Ever. It's amazing and I LOVE using it. 

how can you use a mac? Even the cursor movement is jerky. I used some mac where the whole system was built into a flat panel display for about 5 minutes in 2005 or so. It felt unacceptable for my then QW heightened senses.

A friend of mine bought a macbook in August and the HD broke down completely in September. They probably use generic parts anyway just with a queer packaging. He didn't get any data or even the wreck back, who knows where they sent his HD. But otherwise he seemed happy and worked well with it, edited video etc.

I don't like Vista either. 

 

I am cattle. Safety in numbers. We fear change. I want to play F.E.A.R. on my PC when I gettit. Bet theres no Mac version of that game, huh?!?!

A friend of mine uses his mac mostly for mixing music, and he swears by it!

How many companies manufacture Mac-intended machines? Is it just Apple? Can you install an OSX OS on any PC? Im not very clued up about the world of the apple!! 

Jerky cursors? Really? This thread is bottoming out fast. :) Sorry all! 

 

I had a jerky cursor dem00n yesterday on my PC, and that was a Microsoft wireless mouse problem, nothing to do with fucking Windows...

As for this thread - how many posts are people who havent logged on for the last 4-5 hours gonna have on their GA thread??!?

It's a matter of personal taste at the end of the day! 

 

bambuz

I guess what I was saying was that a jerky mouse cursor means nothing and is that's what the debate has devolved too, it's fair to call it a train wreck at this point.

My PC has had a jerky mouse cursor on many occasions - often when doing something really stressful to the system like checking my email. It doesn't mean that Windows performs poorly overall, it just means the system was busy.

My mouse movement on my Macbook Pro is smooth as silk.

In other words, it's a meaningless yardstick to try to measure with. 

Ye gods, excuse the spelling and grammar in that post. I'm clearly done here. 

3rd para, #13501 ?

Also, czg, what is kimchi? 

Fine.

"How many companies manufacture Mac-intended machines? Is it just Apple? Can you install an OSX OS on any PC? Im not very clued up about the world of the apple!!"

It's mainly Apple making Apple hardware although you can use third party stuff like external hard drives and cameras without a problem.

As for OSX, I've heard that you can run it on PC machines but it requires some hackery. I don't know why someone would want to run OSX on a non-Apple machine but so be it. Heh. 

but it seemed like a design parameter. Make the mouse update at a lousy rate to save some cycles somewhere. (Or then something was bugging? But it was constant - it was never smooth for one microsecond.) Bad first impression for me. Most people wouldn't notice anything of course.

Of course, it's probably fixed nowadays. I'm just telling my only experience from an average (or even high end?) mac from this century.
If they're so much more expensive than PC:s, they should not be worse in basic features.

I use the 500 Hz usb mouse patch at home anyway, I don't know if something like that is available for MacOS. There is for Linux.

Anyway, this discussion isn't leading anywhere. It's not a serious matter anyway, just a story. 

...apart from my first Mac (which was basically given to me) it's always been a cost verses functionality equation for me. In the southern part of Australia at least, PCs are just too damned cheap in comparison. I'd love to have one of each (PC for gaming and Mac for the recording/production side of things) but... 

Mouse accel in OSX sucks complete sucking-shit-down-your-throat ass. I have a little shareware thing called SteerMouse that I use to turn off mouse acceleration. Steve Jobs is so fucking good at cleaning vaginas that he refuses to make changing the UI even mildly possible from the standpoint of the common end-user. If I could be arsed I would write a program to make the mouse accel changes, but why should I have to? And how do I know I won't break something?

OSX is basically just Windows without all the stupid shit, with UNIX underneath. Closed-source software AND closed-source hardware is just fucking great. OSX is nice to use but fuck if I will use a proprietary OS again. 

heh, I was just about to mention SteerMouse too. I have to use a mac at work and this utility is the only reason i'm still sane. 

I'm pretty impartial in the Mac VS PC thing. For me, the draw with apple is mainly the quality of their own software. Pretty hardware is nice, especially fitting that hardware into impossibly small spaces, but from an economics point of view it doesn't make sense unless you have the money to spend on that.

I love the stability of the OS X platform, and apple write great software, be it consumer stuff like iTunes, iPhoto, Keynote, Mail, iMovie, or pro stuff like the whole Final Cut Studio suite.

I think if money is no object, than a Mac Pro tower is ideal for digital content creation. It's one of the most tried and tested 8-core systems out there, and is solid as a rock.

On the downside, if you're looking for value for money, I could put together a system that could outperform a �800 iMac (the cheapest one) for hundreds of pounds less, and I could reuse most of those components in the future.

The obvious criticism has always been the relative lack of software of course. It all depends what you're doing with your computer of course. Personally, I'm doing a computer science degree, and I dabble in custom game content, digital music-making and so on, and OS X really can't beat a PC dual-booting XP and ubuntu.

For video editing on the other hand, macs are really really the way forward, although I don't know when you get to �10,000 upwards workstations, there might be better options. I can edit 30gig movie projects, with the latest version of Final Cut Pro, on a 700mhz, 6 year old table-lamp iMac with 512mb of ram. It's ridiculous, and it has never crashed.

I can't defend apple mice however. They suck so very much. Of course, nothing is stopping you from upgrading it. That, plus some pointer acceleration jiggery-pokery and you're doing ok. 

"Mouse accel in OSX sucks complete sucking-shit-down-your-throat ass. I have a little shareware thing called SteerMouse that I use to turn off mouse acceleration. Steve Jobs is so fucking good at cleaning vaginas that he refuses to make changing the UI even mildly possible from the standpoint of the common end-user. If I could be arsed I would write a program to make the mouse accel changes, but why should I have to? And how do I know I won't break something? "

Why not just use it the way Apple designed it and leave your Windows-based habits at the door? I'm not attacking you here. I'm just saying that, yes, I found it weird at first too but you DO get used to it and after a time you don't even notice it anymore.

I fooled around with SteerMouse and some other "solutions" until I realized that there really wasn't a problem to begin with. It's just different.

It's a different operating system. Accept that some things are going to be different and that you may have to change a few habits.