 Pricey Pixels
#17961 posted by sock on 2010/01/13 09:05:11
@metlslime, I totally agree, I was shocked when I saw the 15 dollar price tag on a game that plays like an average flash game. I know the graphics are suppose to be all retro and low detail but it really ticked me off that someone thinks they can sell it! The game mechanic is ok for a couple of levels but after a while I just felt bored and I really did not care about the characters or story. I am all for supporting indie games and innovation but the game felt like a rip off to me.
@ijed, lies, wireless works perfectly well for desktop pc's as well. Laptops just have the feature built in by default that is all!
@Daz, 3 floors of an old english house will have crazy thick walls, strange building materials and you would probably need a really good wireless router to get the signal strength you will require. Free wireless router generally = cheap rubbish most of the time ;)
I use a netgear router (cost me @100 quid) and it bounces signals through stone/wood walls fine but I am in a very small place on the ground floor. Generally wireless router speeds are not as fast (My current connection speed is 54Mb) as a physical cable because of signal loss and current technology limits.
Horror stories are just that, stories and wireless connections fail just the same way cable connections do. I use a wireless connection to playing online games (wow,tf2) and general surfing stuff fine. The majority of my internet problems are always centered around the stupid ISP deciding to do maintenance without telling me or just weird stuff going wrong at their end for no reason.
Most good wireless routers support both cable and wireless connections and if you do try it out for goodness sake setup the security protocol right and don't leave your ISP connection open to dodgy neighbours.
 Wireless
#17962 posted by Ankh on 2010/01/13 11:55:28
A month ago I bought a wireless router from Belkin and a usb network adapter for the pc:
http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=459640
http://www.tp-link.com/products/productDetails.asp?class=wlan&pmodel=TL-WN422G
The pc is on the same floor as the router and the received signal level is between "low" and "good". The connection is stable. No problems during long downloads or networking. Maybe it is only my imagination but from time to time I have to wait longer for the web pages to load.
The router is on the second floor and I can connect to it with my phone even from outside of the house or from the basement.
I think the router is very good. The adapter was a cheap solution nevertheless it works.
You can have better signal range if you use N+ hardware I have heard.
 Sock
#17963 posted by metlslime on 2010/01/13 12:27:59
@metlslime, I totally agree, I was shocked when I saw the 15 dollar price tag on a game that plays like an average flash game.
Well I would say it plays like very good flash game, but still the going rate for that is still just about free, or like $5 as a downloadable console game (wiiware, etc.)
 Well
#17964 posted by ijed on 2010/01/13 12:55:38
I forgot to mention that mine works fine through one floor, but if I go outside then the connection drops out.
So the solid brick wall blocks the signal but one floor seems fine. When there's other users in the house then my laptop tends to hog the connection though and they run slow.
 I Bought A Belkin
#17965 posted by RickyT33 on 2010/01/13 12:57:13
USB wireless adapter for my little sis at Christmas and it wouldnt work on her XP laptop. It wasnt the cheapest one either, cost around �30.
Si I bought one of these:
Edimax EW-7711UAN 11n 150mbs Wireless High Gain USB Adapter
Works well on her laptop, and it was <�20 on Amazon.
But yeah - a cable will work better.
 DaZ
#17966 posted by Jago on 2010/01/13 13:04:31
"Now, I know next to nothing about wireless connections, but the most pressing worry I have is that I have no idea how far the signal will travel.
You see, the router will be connected to the phone line on the bottom floor of the house, but my pc is on the 3rd floor and I really, really don't want to move it. Any ideas here?"
Essentially, you are fucked.
Unless you invest into a new enterprise-grade WLAN router to replace the one given to you by your ISP, there is a reason these lowend consumer devices don't cost a lot and are given away by ISPs. Instead of spending 400+ euro or more on such a device, that same money would be much better spent on paying a technician to properly wire your entire place with gigabit ethernet.
And you would be much happier with the result too.
 As For Why Gigabit
#17967 posted by Jago on 2010/01/13 13:36:29
"Surely 100mbit is enough, why should I invest in gigabit when wiring my new house?" is question often asked of me.
1) The cost increase in going from 100 mbit to 1 gigabit is marginal.
2) Assume you want to take a backup over your network, from one computer to another. Sending 500gb of data over a maxed out 100mbit network will take roughly 14,5 hours
3) Depending on your router, your network cards, cabling and such, a gigabit network will usually give you a 60-85mb/s transfer rate. That sounds reasonably fast and it is. Would you really like to save a tiny bit of money and go with 100mbit now (11mb/s) and then realize 5 years down the line than you have to upgrade it again?
#17968 posted by JneeraZ on 2010/01/13 13:51:43
We use wireless in our house for some things but I wanted stuff like my Xbox360 to be wired for the extra stability/speed. I didn't want to run ethernet cable through my walls so I got some of these units:
http://www.amazon.com/Linksys-PLK300-PowerLine-Ethernet-Adapter/dp/B001J2ZSL4/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1263387004&sr=8-9
Yes, it's exactly what it sounds like. Networking through your existing power lines. It works REALLY well. And installation is a breeze. I don't know if they have these for European power outlets but if they do, I suggest grabbing them. They're magic.
 If You Go The PLC Route
#17969 posted by Jago on 2010/01/13 13:59:52
PLC = Power Line Communication
Ensure that the electricity in your entire apartment is on the same phase, considering that you mention your place has 3 floors, it is very much possible that it's not.
If device A is on one phase and device B is on another, they have no way of seeing each other when using PLC.
#17970 posted by JneeraZ on 2010/01/13 14:40:11
Oh yeah, if you live in an apartment building (or any place that shares power lines) it might be weird.
 Thanks
#17971 posted by DaZ on 2010/01/13 16:41:34
for all the information!
So I think I will stick with the wired connections for now then. I had never considered PLC but have no idea how many power phases this house has, any quick and easy way to find out, perhaps its on the meter somewhere?
 Wtf
#17972 posted by necros on 2010/01/13 19:26:03
you can network through power lines??
#17973 posted by JneeraZ on 2010/01/13 19:30:22
Yep. It sounds like science fiction, I know, but I swear it works. I have my consoles running on it and it works great.
 Wireless
#17974 posted by Mike Woodham on 2010/01/13 20:30:35
I use my wireless over 1 floor and at any one time can have three units (2 laptops, 1 PC) accessing the same system. I have never had any drop out over the 5 years I have had it. I have a mixture of equipment by Belkin, Thomson and Intel, all G standard. I am with BT.
I also use a laptop in the garden in the summer at a range of about 50 feet, with four 9 inch walls between.
I can also pick up my neighbour's system four houses away, and used it on more than one occasion in the early days before he made it secure. I have just had a quick check and there are 8 other wireless connections that I could get onto right now in my immediate vicinity.
Go for N technology, not G, if you have the choice. There's realy no difference between the common players - Netgear, D-Link, Belkin etc, just buy the best you can afford.
 Hmm
#17975 posted by nonentity on 2010/01/13 22:03:02
Go LinkSys tbh. It's basically budget Cisco stuff.
#17976 posted by mwh on 2010/01/13 22:38:59
Plug the router in and get a friend with a laptop to wander around the house reporting what the signal strength is like?
#17977 posted by metlslime on 2010/01/13 22:55:40
tie one end of the ethernet cable to a rat, then push it into the nearest mousehole. Then, put some cheese near a mousehole in the room with your computer. When the rat comes out of the mousehole, grab the rat, untie the cable and plug it into your computer.
 Why Whould You Plug A Rat Into The Computah?
#17978 posted by Ankh on 2010/01/13 23:30:01
#17979 posted by madfox on 2010/01/14 04:09:13
ratin likes mouses
 So
#17980 posted by Zwiffle on 2010/01/14 18:16:20
Compusa.com is having a decent sale on a 52" Phillips HDTV 1080p 1920x1080 for $1000 - any idea how good that particular model/brand is?
* 52-inch LCD with a 16:9 aspect ratio
* 33,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio
* True 1080p signal compatibility
* Integrated USB port
* Settings assistant
* Pixel Plus HD
* Four HDMI inputs
#17981 posted by Spirit on 2010/01/14 18:44:49
Only 30000:1 contrast? Lol, the colors will look like shite on it.
 Wow
#17982 posted by Drew on 2010/01/14 20:03:37
Can't help you - the concept of spending that much on a tv is mind blowing to me right now...
 Well You Know
#17983 posted by Zwiffle on 2010/01/14 21:13:10
I looked at the price tag on the TV, then looked at a news clip about Haiti, then back to the TV, and I think I would just feel like an asshole if I purchased it.
 Zwiffle
#17984 posted by Jago on 2010/01/14 21:45:58
You are doing it wrong, such purchases are supposed to make you feel better about yourself, unless you are the kind of person who actually spends time wondering how it's "wrong" that in a day of active use, your gaming videocard alone uses as much electricity as an average african family in about 6 months.
Note: you don't have to give a shit. Really.
#17985 posted by JneeraZ on 2010/01/14 21:50:28
The way to look at it, IMO, is that Haiti is not my problem to fix. Now, I sent money to Doctors Without Borders because I wanted to but it wasn't out of a sense of guilt. I wanted to help those people so I did it in the only way that I realistically can.
Buy whatever you like, Haiti or any other world disaster is not your personal responsibility. Donate if you feel strongly about what happened, though.
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