Quake isn't above modding, but Quoth somehow is. I'm surprised they let people make maps for it.

Do whatever you want! Try both machineguns and just see what you think feels more fun. 

Like that one where there's a flame gun that uses the NG model and that ice gun that uses the SNG, what's the story behind that one?

Going back to the topic of my MachineGuns, the idea is, like in Drake, to use ultra-fast stretched white lines, or to be actual hitscan attacks that leaves a small puff trail behind them (similar to https://youtu.be/9wWbvvtZYvo?t=8m18s Thing is, I don't think it's possible for hitscan attacks to leave a trail behind them, or am I mistaken?). The MachineGun, as I've said, would be NG-tier, so to take down weak enemies and weaken stronger enemies. The Minigun would basically be SNG/SSG tier, but would eat nails much faster. It'd be like the NG/SNG relationship, one weak but to use to spare ammo, and the other to go all-out on stronger enemies despite it's ammo consumption. 

Yet still that's not enough apparently. 

Quake was released to be modded out of the box. It's odd that a mod for it would change that stance.

A couple of coder's have managed to mod quoth, but not to include fire and ice guns AFAIK.

Nothing stopping you from adding trails to hitscan weapons - that's just a railgun.

You'll have to learn to code though, nobody is going to do it for you. Luckily, notit's that difficult. Check out the inside3d tutorials - are those still up somewhere? 

I think that was Drake... 

"Quake was released to be modded out of the box. It's odd that a mod for it would change that stance. "

I'm a huge believer in releasing source for things. Look at what happened with Qonquer. After that map jam, we now have a better version of the mod that's more suited to experienced players AND fixes a few bugs. 

I surprised myself when checking out RRP the other day - I forgot that the devkit is actually semi-useful.

I just wanted to copy the same as was released with Nehahra back in the day.

Open sourcing your stuff means it can survive without you when you're done. 

No Music Patch For Vanilla Quake 2? [EDIT]

Posted by anonymous [118.100.140.72] on 2015/09/11 13:12:25
Come on people, it's been 10 years. Is there no Quakespasm for Q2? Yamagi Quake 2 would've been perfect if it weren't for the fact that music does not work on it and deathmatch levels do not display on the multiplayer level list. Quake 2 XP doesn't even work. And that "Ultimate Patch" featuring Knightmare Patch/KMQ2 fucks up the HUD elements, among other things (such as CTF powerups in DM levels, and their models are broken and only display axis). 

 

I turned off the music in Quake 2 after hearing it one time. 

I turned off Quake 2 after playing it one time.

FTFY 

<czg> So I'm kinda thinking about if making a Dark Souls-ish mod for Quake would be fun or not
<czg> would only work if the player plays by The Rules and doesn't savescum though.
<czg> Have "bonfires" or similar in the map, no pickups of health or ammo in the map, enemies may drop ammo, killing enemies gives "souls", getting killed respawns you at a "bonfire" and respawns all monsters, "resting" at a "bonfire" respawns all monsters and refills all your health and ammo, use "souls" at "bonfires" to purchase upgrades for yourself and weapons
<czg> I haven't thought this through very well
<czg> the question is; would it be fun or interesting? Or just a waste of time?
<czg> I'm not sure if the Quake gameplay is challenging enough to make the death/respawn mechanics interesting or not
<czg> Also if players are super upset with dying and calling bullshit and ragequitting
<czg> Probably not going to do anything though lol
<czg> would take me years and years
<czg> (probably) 

It's certainly an interesting idea!

Not sure how well it would work on vanilla maps etc but if a sprawling interconnected hub like map was created for such a mod it could be really cool.

using the axe could give more souls from enemies, or could be used to "parry" a melee attack if you hit at the correct time.

The issue is really the enemies, you would probably have to redesign most of them to be much more challenging. 

Or I guess the other option is to badly gimp the player so they take a TON of damage from enemy attacks or have to walk, and stuff like that. Sounds like removing fun tho ... 

I was thinking maybe could start the player off with like 25 health or something, and then you'd be able to upgrade that at bonfires, that would at least make the smallest starting cannonfodder enemies more interesting.

A bigger and less well known bestiary like Quoth would be good. If only the Quoth source was available... 

 

don't do it in quake, do a quakeish dark soulsish shooter in a newer engine.

steal all the good enemies, skip the others (spawns), call it a spiritual successor. 

This could perhaps work well with sock's mod since it has a lot of medieval enemies. 

 

"Oh And The Parry Idea Is Really Good!"

It's cool but there has to be a major incentive for the player to switch to the axe and parry monsters rather than just shotgunning them in the face. :) 

You only get one bullet. Make it count, noob. 

That leads to... what newer engine? It's something I intended to ask sometimes here. What shooter should I mod these days? 

Axing a monster while it is in attack frames makes it going into pain frames instead, and when it goes into pain frames it takes 2x or 3x damage.
Monsters do not go into pain frames regularly. 

Make sure it has fat-rolling. 

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that's for teenagers