This is actually one of the most played maps in q2, and since plenty of others from previous games have been converted to ql, perhaps you could cut the guy some slack.

he didn't say it was original work. hence the remake part.

get the hell over yourselves, and if you want respect (or others to treat you with it) you can earn it by not being mouthy pieces of shit and belittling someone for converting more content to a form usable in a newer game.


I guess the guys who made the generations mod were just all a bunch of rippoff artists by your "standards". 

Read up on copyright law. 

its not like he's making a profit off of this...

or releasing it under the pretense that it's his original work. 

"its not like he's making a profit off of this... "

Irrelevant. Read up on copyright law.

"or releasing it under the pretense that it's his original work."

Irrelevant. Read up on copyright law. 

some popular maps here admit they rip content directly from other sources yet you didn't comment there. Double standard looks like. 

No offense, Willem, but you're a fucking cunt. 

lol.

You aren't id software, and I dont see them taking up a lawsuit over a 10+ year old resource from a game that is open source now.

The map comes with the free patch of the game up to v 3.20.

Which you can apply over the free demo of q2 to make a fully working multiplayer game.

FOR FREE.

id doesn't give a shit, so why should you, and why should you be so vocal about it?

perhaps you have a bit too much free time.. 

I'm not saying that anyone is innocent or that past violations are fine and dandy - I'm simply trying to stamp out ignorance on this subject. The argument that "he isn't making money off of this" is so fucking tired at this point, I can't believe still try it. 

As is the argument that "the game is 10 years old". It's not a valid argument, and no number of "ha"s typed into a web browser will change that.

Anyway, I know better than to argue copyright laws with anonymous internet twats. 

The man

Sticking it to him! 

I approved this as news, I only skimmed it and thought he'd remade the map and that was enough. I didn't realise it was a rip and didn't realise it would attract a load of anonymous abuse on the forum. Now edited. 

I am sure a proper mapped remake of Q2DM1 or indeed any other map - preferably using all the mapping quality available in QuakeLive - although of course much more preferably using original content, will be very welcome here. 

"I thought that first, im gonna sue you!"
"That was my idea, im gonna SUE YOU"
POWER MONEY MONEY POWER

ok you can delete it 

Who invited the kindergarten? 

There's a whole shitload of not realizing going on here.

Like people not realizing that nobody gives a flying fuck about some random on the net who thinks he knows every in and out of "copyright law" and proceeds to inform everyone without ever stating a single bit of the "laws" he is supposedly drawing such conclusions from.


Who's law?

Is there some magical internet wide copyright law we should all know about now? 

Well, you obviously DO give a flying carpet fuck about it. Welcome to Func btw. 

the caring would be about him or her, not "it"

I don't care about his/her non-points and non-evidence.

I do care that he's acting like a douche for no apparent reason other than he's sick and tired of people thinking they know better than he does.

couple that with the bashing of a guy's contribution who probably had no idea that he'd generate such a "legit modder" backlash for releasing some content ripped from another game, on a board where people regularly post content that is ripped from other games, and you'll get why I'm posting.

Mappers don't all start out making their own shit from scratch. They often try converting something they like from one game to another just to learn how mapping works for a certain game.

If they all got crapped on at this point over some copyright non-issues, based on intellectual property laws in one country that are completely ludicrous, none of them would get beyond that point and make original content.

they'd probably just think modders are stuck up.

:P 

I am sure a proper mapped remake of Q2DM1

Funny you should mention that . . .

Mappers don't all start out making their own shit from scratch.

Most do? Very few mappers will convert something as their first attempt at mapping because it means having knowledge of both games as well as the more complex tools needed to make the conversion.

Word to the wise - when you're spouting transparent bullshit remember that there are people who know what you're talking about who will call you out on it. 

Just come down guys, I can understand your point of view - but I think you took it a bit to personal. Didnt mean to degrade any of your work, nor to say i got any mapping skills at all. As I said I didnt even made the q3 conversion, why I called it 'conversion of converted q2dm1', and didnt remember who made that one.
To name Willtis wasnt relevant, because everybody knows that.

I posted the map here because I think its a cool site and i thought some people might wanna have it BECAUSE it was so close to the original.

The understand the argument that it wasnt worth to convert in the first place only, if I look at it from the 'developing' perspective.

That's the problem, we got here.
Because I dont care about any textures, lighting or other fancy stuff. I guess with my cfg and picmip settings I wouldnt be able to see stuff like that anyway.

But in terms of gameplay, design and item placement the edge is such a clever made map, which most of the mp maps today are simply not.
I also prefer the original textures, because I love the old q2 look.

Its totally ok you deleted it, because this is your site and you can do whatever you want.

kk?

And when I said wolf has some similarity with the horrible CoD I was talking about the MP. For me thats what matters in a rtcw sequel.

I also attached a picture of a PigMonkey 

"not staying long..."

One can hope, but I have a feeling this won't end anytime soon. They care so little, they're posting novels. 

Tends to overreact, it's the internet.

Willem was just making an observation though.

PigMonkey for RemakeQuake . . . 

....chill out a little.

People like Willem and Megmn always go on about licenses and copyright because they have to deal with the real side of it.

Hobbyists and Quake1 modders have had huge epic battles over the issue in the past. Some of the guys here actually hate some of the other guys because they will/wont release the sources to their mods (!)

Its not an argument which is going to be resolved on this thread. There have been threads dedicated to the topic in the past which have failed to do anything except spread bad karma.

Which is, btw, what you are doing, or trying to do by flame baiting everyone here.

TBH converting a hugely popular Quake2 map to QuakeLIVE is kinda cool but I think somewhere between trying to encourage you to re-make the map from scratch, or in a format which people can actually PLAY the map online, this has gone horribly wrong.

Now there's one or more person with their feelings fondled, and animosity has sprung out of a bit of fun.

And some people are just enjoying the argument, others are participating AND enjoying it..... 

I don't care about his/her non-points

Only I may award non-points.

So far Willem has 2 for righteous anger, the 'mapper' has 4 for 'making' the thing in the first place, his cohorts have -23 for general idiocy and Sham has 17 for approving it as news and starting this whole argument.


Also, my first map was a box. Full of crates. (rly. it got 0.5/5 from Zan at MPQ) 

Some of the guys here actually hate some of the other guys because they will/wont release the sources to their mods (!)

Or, we (I?) just hate the noncooperative/non-positive-sum nature of closed-source hobbyist modding. 

Where's the league table link?