From a game logic stand point they're great, and it's awesome to see that a stealth enemy can work in Q1SP. My only gripe is that it shares the model with the weaker kind of knight while having the health of the old skinny red knight 

My only gripe is that it shares the model with the weaker kind of knight

Would a skin repaint do the trick? 

"My only gripe is that it shares the model with the weaker kind of knight while having the health of the old skinny red knight "

That's a good observation, I'd be surprised if it never came up.. 

Ends up working like another stealth tactic.

About variety of stuff: I think the mapper should choose the right limited subset of all ogres and knights and weapons to tell the story. 

Still can't find the fucker. I know know the textures in that area as well as the inside of CZG's ass. There is a different texture on the steps to the Flesh Key secret and that's all I could spot. I can tell you that all the arches have a wee star on the top and a little beige overlap at the bottom, and that the beige stairs alternate bricks and slabs and that one torch fitting near the outer grilles is slightly greener than the other, and that the apex of the two central arches looking on the SK level are terracotta and the outer ones are brick and all the wee fallen bricks inside the gold key door are the same dark brown BUT I CAN'T FIND ANY FUCKING TEXTURE DIFFERENCES.

Also gibbable bodies are cool. 

I LOOKED AT THAT CEILING ABOUT 10 TIMES IN THE LAST 20 MINUTES FFFS. 

me myself still hasn't found all secrets in this map.
And that vore trap is awesome, you puss. 

I'm glad other people can't find that secret too (I read the map source in the end!)

adib: yes :-) I remember quake e1m1 pretty well :-)

And yeah as kinn says if the crossbow knights were coloured more like the regular knights and less like the super weak ones I wouldn't have complained. 

Ghost Death Knights - awesome touch. Work well with the rest of the visual vibes. 

Obviously this was not a map to try as an early taster of AD. There is still no limits to the vast amount of Fuck Off the Crossbow Knights can do, and the ZOgres are more punishing in this than in other much easier maps like Firetop.

OTOH the design and exploration is truly excellent. As a remake it's perfect, apart from perhaps a weak ending arena. The crypt secret and the SK terrace are ace.

I do think there needs to be more marked secrets to reward the player hunting around though, for example:

<spoiler>
1 - left blue room at start
2 - right blue room at start
3 - ammo cache above main entrance
4 - LG on shambler terrace
5 - left ledge nails opposite GK
6 - right ledge nails opposite GK
7 - silver key terrace (gotta remember SK door)
8 - blue window on SK terrace
9 - blue window in SK terrace
10 - biosuit behind window
11 - shortcut back from GK door
12 - ammo pack in SK terrace
13 - plasma gun near end
</spoiler>

Plus the normal 3...

There might be more OFC. And no I didn't do the time limited ROS thing, fuck that. 

It's because the secrets are so secret, it's a secret that they're secrets. 

I dont know I find most Q1 monsters to be cannon fodder so the crossbow guys and zaware ogres are a nice change of pace for me. And their reload delay is their doom. 

That's why I haven't been reading this thread much.

Someone make a box room full of 30 spawn, with 30 crossbow knights on surrounding ledges, so you people can use more fucking skill there. 

Not a very fun sounding map obviously. Though Devil Daggers currently looks like that madness. 

Via console, I haven't found runes.

Lovely map, proper vibes, really nice to have as a secret map. 

yea that map was soo pretty. I full map in that style would be something else! 

Jesus, this is a game in itself. Got both silver keys, the blood key (that whole section is fantastic), and 7/8 tomes, and still only got 20/25. Gonna be a long hunt.... 

Oh one other "thing" that's kind of a shame although obviously unavoidable is that each map has its own visual language and that definitely makes it harder to find secrets on the first time through. Maybe I should have played the test maps first (still haven't played those...) 

Anyone got a fixed entity definition?

I looked at fixing it myself but the errors on reading are odd, the lines it says are erroneous seem fine.

TB1 BTW. 

Yesh thoshe secretsh be tricky. Tough one is near the part where two skull wizards are spamming you from behind breakables and bars...no one looks up, not even I and I make maps too and use this trick to make secrets. That quad secret took me days to find. 

I used the .def with TB1 for ad_e2m7 and it worked fine.
The .fgd uses some Jackhammer extensions. TB2 does support it though. 

Apparently I had found all tomes, and I got a Drole as a reward.

Had to noclip to find the last few, I think the trigger is missing from the one in the tower overlooking the MH bridge. 

 

 

Several of you have smaller cocks too. Whatever.