 Lacking Hitscan Weapons
#532 posted by mankrip on 2016/02/14 13:48:14
Okay, I have a final verdict on one thing: The lack of hitscan weapons sucks.
Hitscan weapons are usually bad, but there are cases in which they're needed. There is a single enemy in AD which is a perfect example of this: The flying saucer drones in Crucial Error.
They dodge quickly, they fire fast, they're small and they keep themselves distant from the player. They make us waste ammo like crazy because:
1) When they stop for a moment and we shoot, they dodge again to a random direction before the bullets can hit them;
2) When they're moving, their movement ends too quickly for us to predict their path, aim and shoot in time for our bullets to travel and hit them. And they shoot a barrage of lasers immediately upon stopping, which punishes players who tries to aim for their stopping position.
I'm not against the modified shotguns per se, but the lack of a hitscan weapon to take care of those flying drones makes all battles against them frustrating. Those drones makes us waste ammo like crazy, I end up just shooting randomly in the hopes that some of the bullets will hit. That's awful.
And this highlighted a lost opportunity. In vanilla Quake, the thunderbolt is the most useless weapon to me. It consumes ammo too quickly, its ammo is sparse, and it's not much more effective against enemies because in vanilla Quake the nailguns fills the "high rate of fire" role in a more economical/easily replenishable way, the shotgun is a more economical hitscan weapon, and the rocket launcher deals more damage per hit.
Arcane Dimensions really lost the opportunity to make the thunderbolt shine. If Crucial Error had it, I'd use it against those flying drones every time, while the projectile weapons would still be used on everyone else because I'd conserve the thunderbolt ammo for the flying drones. And that would be a perfect thematic match of high-tech weapon against high-tech enemy. It would be just flawless.
The projectile shotguns helps to make the thunderbolt strategically unique, and the flying drones helps to make this strategical strength of the thunderbolt a requirement.
 Not Sure I Agree
But I'd like to add that the Plasma Gun absolutely SHOULD NOT permanently replace the LG, it's not an upgrade in my opinion.
 Plasma Replacement SHOULD NOT Be Permanent
#534 posted by Qmaster on 2016/02/14 15:09:14
This. Wish it was just toggleable like the plasma gun in mispack2. Wait...plasma gun...Plasma Gun
 Mankrip
#535 posted by adib on 2016/02/15 02:38:32
I think the thunderbolt doesn't reach too far. It would have to be a close combat.
 Mm?
#536 posted by ijed on 2016/02/15 03:36:01
Doesn�t this depend on the map you're playing?
 Adib
#537 posted by mankrip on 2016/02/15 04:08:28
The thunderbolt has a 600 units range. That's plenty for this case, because the drones keep some distance from the player but they don't go that far away.
By the way, the limited range of the thunderbolt also helps to ensure that its instantaneous hit property can't be abused.
 Welcome Brown Ranger!
#538 posted by mjb on 2016/02/16 12:27:28
I just started playing AD and I am just floored! Floored by the amount of offerings this mod has for the Quake community. It mixes Quoth, and other mods in addition to new ones and provides the base for new mappers to utilize these tools.
I am going to slowly convert what I was working on to AD because I am just so impressed by the variety provided. The best part, is the conversion has been relatively simple so far.
I only played a handful of the maps so far: (Swamp, Crucial, Deaths, Tomb, Mire) and they blew me away!
The entire AD team should be proud of themselves not just for the wonderful maps but the collaboration to provide a basis for future Quake maps to come.
Cheers to you all!
Now, I just gotta dive through the readme and make sense of all the new offerings there are! I did hear that Sock will be making a more friendly fancy web version of this document? I happily await that as well. ;)
 !
#539 posted by PuLSaR on 2016/02/16 13:38:16
I did hear that Sock will be making a more friendly fancy web version of this document? I happily await that as well. ;)
Yay, that's what everyone hopes for.
 HD Packs
#540 posted by Icaro on 2016/02/17 08:43:51
 Errrrr.
#541 posted by Shambler on 2016/02/17 11:47:54
HD is generally not fashionable because it usually looks like overly-crisp, out of place, ASS.
OTOH, those look pretty good, they actually look like HD QUAKE textures rather than glossy bumpmapped Q3A textures badly ported into Quake.
The Sock map ones look pretty much spot on. The Swampy ones look a little bit too high contrast and too busy, if you can tone that down a bit they'd look spot on too.
 HD-ness
#542 posted by Kinn on 2016/02/17 11:58:14
What Shambler said.
The full-black lines between the bricks in the Swampy screenshots need toning down - they don't quite look right.
Other than that - congrats on releasing some HD textures that don't make me want to immediately poke my eyes out with a rusty sickle, I guess :)
 Kinn
#543 posted by adib on 2016/02/17 20:19:43
I can make a pack like this if you promise to record a gif.
 Kinn
#544 posted by adib on 2016/02/17 20:19:44
I can make a pack like this if you promise to record a gif.
 @Shambler & Kinn
#545 posted by Icaro on 2016/02/17 21:20:38
Thanks very much for the nice feedbacks!
the packs are essentially based on Moon[Drunk]'s Quake Revitalisation Project. My new textures are basically a re-adaptetion / continuation of his.
I would like to respect ... as far as it is possible ... his artistic choices.
Moreover QRP texture are needed to fully run the pack. Differentiation between mine and his textures will affect negatively the final result.
 Icaro
#546 posted by mfx on 2016/02/17 22:26:53
Thx for that, as i said on quakeone.com.
One doesn't have to be a "fan" of those HD addons to admire the amount of work (and skill) that went into making those textures.
And i just discovered all the other supported maps!
(jam2, retrojams, tronyn maps etc...)
Thx for that again, to each his his own i guess.
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 I Have To Also Say
#547 posted by nitin on 2016/02/18 13:38:33
those look very good Icaro. Are you doing these on a map by map basis?
 Runes...
#548 posted by generic on 2016/02/18 13:49:19
How do I give myself runes in AD? Impulse 11 isn't doing the trick.
 Nevermind...
#549 posted by generic on 2016/02/18 14:04:22
I got it!
 Good Question Nonetheless, So Let's Answer.
#550 posted by parubaru on 2016/02/18 14:10:17
The readme file has a 'mod settings' section,
that leads you to the quake.rc file.
Said file contains the following:
// DEVELOPER ONLY (need to set developer to "1")
// Impulse 240 - Give ALL rune sigils
// Impulse 241 - Give rune sigil 1
// Impulse 242 - Give rune sigil 2
// Impulse 243 - Give rune sigil 3
// Impulse 244 - Give rune sigil 4
// Impulse 245 - Give SILVER+GOLD key
Is that correct? Is it the only way?
 You Got That From Your Official Readme Audit?
 @nitin
#552 posted by Icaro on 2016/02/18 21:09:57
 Moddb Page Down?
#553 posted by anone on 2016/02/19 12:58:48
The moddb page no longer exists, did the mod developers have it removed?
Yes the mod page is down, not sure if/when it will be coming back. You should still be able to download the mod from quaddicted and quaketastic though
 Sock == Trinca?
#555 posted by Spirit on 2016/02/19 16:40:16
 Painfully Aware
#556 posted by sock on 2016/02/19 17:13:14
The moddb page no longer exists, did the mod developers have it removed?
The Quake community has been "borrowing" content from so many sources over the years I think we have all forgotten what we are doing. Quake has been under the radar of the general public for so long that no one has really cared or been interested.
Copy another mod / game / movie (If I want to play Quake, I'll play Quake - not HL: Quake) Consider the legal ramifications!
This MOD contains Hexen2, UT, Q3 and HL2 content!
ModDB has plenty of pages talking about this issue and why MODs at ModDB should be "legal" and not full of "other" content.
http://www.moddb.com/tutorials/getting-started-with-mods
http://www.moddb.com/features/the-legalities-of-modding
"So why has the ModDb page been removed" because it should not be there! As I have said to the AD team via email, the mod will still exist on Quaddicted if anyone wants to download it. Any site personally connected to me I have removed it from.
Personally it makes me sad because so much work was put into the MOD that I got blinkered and forgot what was happening. Moral of the story, don't take shortcuts, create it all yourself.
Sock == Trinca?
Whatever floats your boat!
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