Off the Ho Chi Minh trail! 

Should we just stand around waiting to get our ears raped with repetitive crap about copyrights "because someone has to deal with the real side of them"?

I don't think so.

Someone should go back to working on the real side of them, and perhaps fuck off, instead of repeatedly jumping up and down about some shit that will never be relevant, in a thread that's now dead, thanks to people like him with a giant stick in their ass.

Is iD going to sue this guy for copyright infringement on a hastily made rip of someone elses rip of one of the maps that they freely distribute with a patch? NO?

Then shut your fucking mouth about it.


BTW, I do make maps textures and models, and I have repeatedly helped others start making them who've asked me "how can I convert this map, since I'm not any good with brushes?" 

You don't care though. Let's make that perfectly clear. 

I'm sorry for the controversy caused with this, and I'm sorry if deleting the news item is the wrong thing to do.

I don't feel as strongly as other people on this site about copyright abuse, but I do feel the resulting arguing and several very bitchy anonymous posts (NOT yours explaining your side, they are fine) are not beneficial to the site nor communication about mapping. Ideally metlslime would move this to a discussion thread and perhaps something useful could be hammered out about the role of copyright in non-profitable conversions and whether they should be promoted. 

Is that these guys are actually doing more good for the community in many instances than bad.

I attacked Lunaran for critiscisingone of my projects in the past, but ultimately Lunaran was a cool guy to have on the 'board, and he actually had many-a valid opinion.

We dont always have to agree on everything. The best thing is to agree to disagree 

When your regs sit around here posting negative crap all day, shitting on other's contributions and statements without evidence and instead resorting to ad hominems because they have no actual point, you can expect quite a few bitchy posts.

I doubt "willem" gives a crap about what's beneficial to your site unless it directly effects the number of people subjected to reading his mindnumbing elitist responses.

PS:

anonymous posts are not anonymous when the IP is quite visible above them.

effectively there are no anons here so why should anyone bother to register a name?

So we can have uber cool colored letters on top of the posts that about 3 people read and then shit on? 

Fuckoff.

Ive tried being reasonable and explaining myself here, but your just not listening. Try saying something remotely constructive, set an example of the level of conversation you are prepared to pitch.

I mean this is getting old. OK, we get it, youre pissed off, you blame Willem, you're smarter and cooler than he is and you know what everyone else is thinking. Old news.

New News:

Go away and leave unless you have something to add other than defensive abusive vulgar comments. Please. 

To be honest, posting anonymously [a person would have to impress me GREATLY to make me bother memorizing/backtracking their IP] marginalizes anything the poster wanted to say. Unlucky anon(s), your hard-fought argument is ultimately worthless.

Anyway, ZLZ clearly isn't a bad person and obviously didn't intend to cause offense. 

apparently you guys can dish it out with gusto when some new mapper puts up something he spent a little time on, but you can't take a bit of criticism from an "anon" when you take 15 seconds to post some absolute tripe.

I'm not surprised.

For the record, I haven't said or implied any of the shit you just mentioned, and you're just grasping at straws and mouthstuffing to develop some semblance of a reason to post.

your comments went from "peace love and let everyone just disagree" to "fuck off" in the course of one hour, when I didn't even address a comment to you.

I think we know who is the reasonable one here, and it's not you brother.


I understand your point: Some criticism is useful. You don't seem to understand the ones I was repeatedly trying to get thru:


1. All criticism is not useful, like spirits "Your map is fugly"

2. People crapping on this guys map contribution and declaring it illegal are not doing anyone any good.

3. Copyright laws are only applicable in their country of origin if the someone who actually holds them cares about the content covered, not all over the fuckin net like some sort of all encompassing commandment from god 

I don't care if you are being honest. You're still displaying the very same sort of attitude that would lead a person to conclude that you think you are something special (iow an elitist prick)

Get the fuck over it, it's a little colorful name above a post. The content of the post is what matters not how many times you've +1'd someone else's comments to swell your postcount, or how long you've been a member at whatever forum/board/community. 

Don't be sorry, you did nothing wrong.

Im going to drink some beers now, which is always the best thing to do.

and remember! 

The little colourful name above the post helps to create a broader picture of the poster and better contextualize what they're saying. First impressions are very important, both online and off. My first impressions of Ricky and Willem have both been very positive, so although I don't agree with them one hundred percent of the time, I am more willing to thoroughly read what they have to say because I have some assurance that they won't waste my time. My first impression of you is not good, as my only experience of you has been this ridiculous thread overflowing with angsty bullshit.

You clearly want your opinion to be heard and respected [otherwise why bother posting it?], yet you're completely unwilling to open yourself up to closer scrutiny by revealing anything more than an IP address. All this suggests is that you're ashamed of the rubbish you're spouting, and don't want it to come back and bite you in the arse on a future visit.

And yes, compared to you I do think I'm something special, but that's not saying a lot. 

that just yaps on in an angry fashion.

And has a brain the size of a golf ball.

Just trying to advocate a less immature response out of you. CZG? Is that you!!? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQcXtKa8IGo 

It's acceptable to use copyrighted textures from another game in a Q1 map, but it isn't to convert a map? 

advocating a more mature response out of someone who disagrees with you, now takes the form of telling them to "fuck off" and never come back?

You sure make a ton of sense "Ricky". Try again.


btw "fish"

Why would I be ashamed to come back here, and how would me putting a name on my posts make a difference at all, when the IP is there on every single one?

I got linked here from some other board, where people had commented that you seemed to be so far up your own asses you couldnt see daylight, and after readin this thread decided that they were absolutely right and that you seemed like the types who'd flail around stupidly if someone called you on your crap.

I was right, just like I am about you thinking that your opinion matters, and that you think you're hot shit.

I'm battin a thousand. 

 

Looks like a piece of history. Wish I'd have donloaded the bitch now. Looked pretty lame at the time. 

This thread is a great read with valid points on both sides. When scar3crow contacted Romero to get the id1 map sources released, q1edge wasn't in there but maps like dm7 were and I never read the news item or look at the screenshots.

Anyways ...

Some of the guys here actually hate some of the other guys because they will/wont release the sources to their mods

"hate" is a mighty strong word; disappointed or a feeling of deception is a better substitute.

Ricky, I hope you don't truly believe the issues some have with a certain mod are related to "that they won't release the source code."

The issues that some people have is that the mod was talked about being open source, was said it was done for the community and then AFTER all the sweet talk and soliciting the community for years for ideas for the mod CHANGED their minds with no explanation for the change of heart.

This is what I call false pretenses.

It's just a game, the people behind the mod are very helpful to the community and have done many great deeds.

And yet the idea of trying to achieve widespread support through sweet talk only to have the story turn out differently ONLY AFTER widespread support is achieved is an ignoble act.

And 2 of the most hailed "mods" of that mod are in fact actual mods: Warpspasm and that one with the sound that can be turned off and on (I can't recall the name at the moment.

What is the point of an unmoddable mod? Especially when the 2 greatest works are mods of the mod?

It isn't really an expansion pack, but a limitation pack as a result.

You get new features to play with and map with, but unlike id1 or hipnotic you LOSE the ability to make modifications.

So it is not a net positive but rather 1 step forward and 2 steps back.

As RPG once said, if you like Quake today you are a defacto supporter of Open Source because you are using a modified engine which is what makes skyboxes, enhanced limits and so forth even possible.

Enough said. I just saw a comment that was either poorly phrased or the author of the comment only has a limited understanding of the issue and the history and for once I felt chatty.

One of the guys behind the mod in question is my favorite mapper of all time. 

n/t 

Baker you are awesome. 

is clearly a fucking genius! As if he didnt mean this.

btw, aenoch has a point. Not that that means willem and the others dont. 

....I didn't. The map seemed like a bit of a grey area, but the bitchy posts didn't. 

I'd guess most of us aren't angry at the copyright stuff as much as at the straight rip from another game without permission stuff. That doesn't play well in a community of creators.

Nobody would have raised a brow if it was a real remake like that shitty osp map, be it as close to the original as you want, including shitty lighting.

Shit count: 2. 

But you guys don't care. No sir, not at all.