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Quake Speedruns On SDA
I get the idea that quite a few Quake mappers love to watch speedruns on their own maps, and us speedrunners have always liked new (and old) maps to speedrun, and we've all been fairly good at supporting both communities, but I also get the idea that most mappers aren't really checking for news at SDA, at least not very often. Maybe I'm just completely wrong here, but I was thinking it was a good initiative to put a post here whenever we did an update. Just listing the map name, the mapper, and the demos without all the text that usually goes into an update on SDA. If one wants to read the entire update, one can go to the news page on SDA:

http://speeddemosarchive.com/quake/

Also, a quick explanation regarding the use of "demo tags" (for those that aren't into the SDA-termology) like ER, NH, EH2, etc etc.

- ER is short for "Easy Run", meaning a pure run through any given map on skill 0 (easy) without having to kill any monsters or find any secrets.

- NH is short for "Nightmare 100%", meaning a run through any given map on skill 3 (nightmare) getting ALL kills and finding ALL secrets.

- EH2 is short for "Easy 100% 2 player", meaning a cooperative run with 2 players through any given map on skill 0 getting ALL kills and finding ALL secrets.

I think you get the picture...

Let's do a quick roundup of the latest update on SDA (April 2nd, 2009):

e4m6 - The Pain Maze by Sandy Petersen
Map: http://speeddemosarchive.com/quake/mkt.pl?level:e4m6
NH: http://speeddemosarchive.com/quake/demos/NH/e4m6_153.dz

hip1m3 - The Lost Mine by Hipnotic Interactive
Map: http://speeddemosarchive.com/quake/mkt.pl?level:hip1m3
ER: http://speeddemosarchive.com/quake/demos/ER/h1m3_045.dz

hotel - Welcome to Hotel Kique-Asse by Andrew Turner
Map: http://speeddemosarchive.com/quake/mkt.pl?level:hotel
EH: http://speeddemosarchive.com/quake/demos/EH/hot_036.dz

wrld11 - World 1-1 for Quake by Mattias Berggren
Map: http://speeddemosarchive.com/quake/mkt.pl?level:wrld11
EH: http://speeddemosarchive.com/quake/demos/EH/wr11_038.dz
NH: http://speeddemosarchive.com/quake/demos/NH/wr11_038.dz

msacro - Manslay's Acrobatics by Dmitry 'Manslay' Dementjev
Map: http://speeddemosarchive.com/quake/mkt.pl?level:msacro
EH: http://speeddemosarchive.com/quake/demos/EH/mscr_117.dz

tchak - The Tomb of Chak Toh Ich'ak by Rui 'Trinca' Neto
Map: http://speeddemosarchive.com/quake/mkt.pl?level:tchak
NR: http://speeddemosarchive.com/quake/demos/NR/tcha_115.dz
NR2: http://speeddemosarchive.com/quake/demos/NR2/tcha_012.dz

e3m2 - Vaults of Zin by American McGee
Map: http://speeddemosarchive.com/quake/mkt.pl?level:e3m2
NR2: http://speeddemosarchive.com/quake/demos/NR2/e3m2_015.dz

dragon - Lair of the Dragon Ogre by David 'Death Method' Duncan
Map: http://speeddemosarchive.com/quake/mkt.pl?level:dragon
EH2: http://speeddemosarchive.com/quake/demos/EH2/drag_047.dz

e4m7u - ynogA eruzA by Jaakko 'NahkahiiR' Alakopsa
Map: http://speeddemosarchive.com/quake/mkt.pl?level:e4m7u
EH2: http://speeddemosarchive.com/quake/demos/EH2/7m4e_115.dz
NH2: http://speeddemosarchive.com/quake/demos/EH2/7m4e_137.dz

ALL DEMOS DOWNLOAD:
http://speeddemosarchive.com/quake/sda_02_apr_2009.dz
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I always check a watch the demos :) they are great... petty i suck in speed :| 
Stubgaard 
just watched the DofG movie it was very funny, to watch you're chasing that spider 
 
good initiative Stubgaard

Stubby maybe SDA should think about changing to zip packing of demos. Dzip issues were discussed here a lot (someone provide the link please)


btw. everyone should watch my EH demo on my hdn map even if it was beaten long time ago :P
http://speeddemosarchive.com/quake/demos/EH/hdn_242.dz 
Great Idea 
 
Stubgaard: 
nice idea; I think it will help raise awareness to cross-post news like this. One suggestion: you don't need to fully replicate all the links, it would probably suffice to list a bullet-point summary and then provide a link to the SDA news post/page (and maybe the "all demos download" link too.) LvL does this, seems to work well, for example: http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=60270 
Thanks For The Heads Up 
I actually check SDA every now and then, but I didn't check religiously to see if anybody has done any runs on my maps or whatever, so having news also posted here will be handy... and also make this place feel a little livelier too :) 
SDA: April 13th, 2009 
Ankh: Unfortunately I think it's too much work to zip all the demos on SDA as we're up to 10368 in total by now. I don't know if someone could write some sort of script to automate the process or something, but there's also the issue of filesize though it's not that big a deal anymore I guess, but 10368 demos certainly adds up.

metlslime: You're right, bullet-point summary will be sufficient :-)

Since this board is mostly about mapping, I'll list the mapname and the mapper in bold letters.

So here goes:

e4m6 - The Pain Maze by Sandy Petersen
- Easy 100% in 1:32
- 2 player Easy 100% in 1:04

e3m2 - Vaults of Zin by American McGee
- 2 player Nightmare 100% in 0:53

perssp2 - Return To Dust by Chris 'Fern' Ploran
- Easy Run in 0:27

terra1 - Schumann Resonance by Christian 'czg' Grawert
- 2 player Easy Run in 0:07
- 2 player Easy 100% in 0:55
- 2 player Nightmare Run in 0:07
- 2 player Nightmare 100% in 0:55

hotel - Welcome to Hotel Kique-Asse by Andrew Turner
- 2 player Easy Run in 0:21
- 2 player Easy 100% in 0:24

scream - Star Scream by Dustin 'Tronyn' Geeraert
- 2 player Easy Run in 0:12
- 2 player Easy Run in 0:12

sm28 - Structured Chaos by John 'DaMaul' McCann
- 2 player Easy Run in 0:34
- 2 player Nightmare Run in 0:36

msacro - Manslay's Acrobatics by Dmitry 'Manslay' Dementjev
- 2 player Easy 100% in 0:37
- 2 player Nightmare Run in 0:12

royalwar - the Royal Warriors by Scott McNutt
- 2 player Easy Run in 0:26
- 2 player Nightmare 100% in 0:59

tchak - The Tomb of Chak Toh Ich'ak by Rui 'Trinca' Neto
- 2 player Easy Run in 0:12

SDA:
http://speeddemosarchive.com/quake

All DEMOS DOWNLOAD:
http://speeddemosarchive.com/quake/sda_13_apr_2009.dz

I wasn't quite sure wether to list the runner of the demos or not, I chose not to since it took up a lot of space, but if someone wants them listed I can easily do that. 
Really ... 
The SDA needs to modernize.

Most people, including myself, simply aren't willing to download a Quake demo and then muck around downloading the .bsp just to watch a speed run.

Plus, the .dz format while nice and all is only supported by JoeQuake and Qrack. I don't really like having to load up an engine I don't normally use to watch a demo.

And I don't want to mess around with the dzip utilities to use a different engine.

So what is the problem here?

Are the speedruns worth watching?

Yes

Is it way too inconvenient and archaic?

Yes

Will most people bother downloading even AVI videos?

No

Answer

All the time and effort to make a speed run surely justifies taking a few extra minutes to convert the demo to AVI and uploading them to YouTube.

(If this actually happens, please no funky JoeQuake HUD or replacement textures .. make it look like normal Quake). 
 
You seem good at adding things to engines, so add dzip support to your favourite one. ,)

I love watching demos and I like being able to watch them as I like. You can make your OS launch demos by simply doubleclicking them.

Speedruns are a niche. Why would people bother when they were at Youtube. Except for the "big" ones but those already are available there. 
Once Again... 
...Baker posts something that doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. Have you every played Quake or watched demos before?? Because it seems like you're struggling with it.

Inconvenient and archaic my ARSE. If you can't work out downloading and installing Quake maps and demos, then I'm not sure why you're even bothering with Quake in the first place.

P.S. Dz unzips with Dzip (really easily I might add), then the .dem files play in any conventional engine. 
 
i dont see demos everyday but sometimes is realy great fun to see those, about format... bah who cares? 
 
Shambler

No, he's right. I don't download these things because it's a pain in the ass. The only speed runs I've ever watched are ones that were converted into AVI files.

AVI or YouTube plz! I would watch them all. 
I Agree With Shambler On This One. 
Demos.

Demos for Quake 1.

Making a demo on Quake 1 and turning it into a video file is a bit like getting a Harley Davidson Road King and then taking it out for the day in the back of a plain white small Ford transit van.

It just SHOULDNT BE DONE!!! 
 
That's ridiculous. They ALREADY DO IT for some demos so it isn't like we're breaking new ground here.

- launch something like Fraps
- play the demo
- upload the video file

It's not hard and it allows people to view them much more easily. 
 
You are forgetting why DZIP exists in the first place: Smaller files.
Think about how much work it would be to make videos. And how small any benefit is compared to that stress.

Some demos might be so fucking awesome that they serve that easy of attention from people who do nont have Quake. I guess that is the biggest reason to make video captures.

Willem does not count since he is on MacOS X with no dzip tool (right?). ;-)

And we've been there before. DZIP is obsolete nowadays because bandwidth is better and it would be great if ZIP was used instead. 7zip would be even better but so inconvenient and modern. 
Well Ill Be Damned 
if any current formats allow you to cram a 45 minute video with full sound quality at a resolution of 2560x1600 into a grand total of about 4 megs. For 45 minutes. And it looks better.

OK, so you have to open an archive, extract its contents (unless you use an engine which makes this even easier for you) into another folder (you might have to navigate to the folder)

Then you have to run a program (heaven forbid that a command line option could be written here)

Then you have to press a key and type another command (oh horror!)

Or they could uplouad oll of the files to youtube or google video and we can watch the blurry poor sound quality versions, that took several weeks to create and upload, and hope that they buffer all the way through on our mediocre internet connection.

I really hope that if they do start hosting 100s of Gbs of video on SDA.com (at great expense to the website owner I'd imagine) that they still keep the demo files up there too :) 
 
Hey, do whatever you want. But know that by using stupid shit like DZ and requiring people to run the demos in the game itself, you're limiting your audience. 
 
1 - Demos are not stupid, and they are not shit.

2 - Enjoy your On LIVE box thing. Take your computer, throw it out of the window. 
 
OK, now you're frothing and not even reading posts correctly. This discussion is on pause. 
I Agree With Rick 
Or they could uplouad oll of the files to youtube or google video and we can watch the blurry poor sound quality versions, that took several weeks to create and upload, and hope that they buffer all the way through on our mediocre internet connection.

I really hope that if they do start hosting 100s of Gbs of video on SDA.com (at great expense to the website owner I'd imagine) that they still keep the demo files up there too :) 
Meh 
The only argument here is easy user frontend or not. Baker tends to make toolsets that are frontends - that's what he was commenting about.

We're used to jumping through hoops to watch demos since we do it to play the maps in the first place.

But if I last played a map four years ago and feel like watching a demo of it then a video would be a nicer option. If I wanted to watch it properly then I'd donwload the map and proper demo.

It's only in Quake where we expect that second option. 
Denial 
Is the first defense of why things are fine when things aren't workin'.

"Things are great as how they are?" - Spirit
"You are an idiot" says Shambler
"It's so easy [that no one does it]" says Ricky

Meanwhile, in the last 7-8 years I've heard of maybe 4-5 non-hardcore people that have even watched an SDA demo.

I probably watched 80 of them back 4 years ago when I built a file association demo play tool [that even supported .dz for non-dz engines].

The first rule of life is honesty.

Don't kid yourself, very few non-Quake leet (The hardcores) are going to do all the steps required to watch even one SDA demo.

Yet the few speed runs on YouTube get an assloadius maximus of views.

(And Shambler, I'm not convinced you actually know how to play a .dz demo. Add that to the list of things you don't know, like how to compile a map or use FitzQuake ;) ) 
 
Did those people have Quake? Would they even be remotely interested in "random run on a custom map you never heard of"?


I'm not saying that things are great as they are. Things could be easier in most engines. I launch demos via doubleclick and the engine I use has a demo browser. It also has dzip and zip support. Any halfway intelligent person could watch a speedrun this way without needing a feeding cup.

For the doubleclicking here you go: http://www.quaddicted.com/tips-and-tricks/launching-maps-and-demos-with-a-doubleclick/
metl posted the way for Windows in the comments.

You could always do it yourself, you know? Post speedruns to youtube! 
As In 
there is only one way to find out if this is the right thing to do: Doing it yourself and check the results. 
Baker. 
WotEVER. I'm not the person who's ever had any problems playing demos. 
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