Probably The Demon King,
#6 posted by Tronyn on 2014/04/03 03:19:01
which featured several levels by Rescoe, was indeed hit/miss, although Shadow is his masterpiece.
#7 posted by ijed
on 2014/04/03 10:35:31
Was stuck thinking of the acronym TDK.
#8 posted by ijed
on 2014/04/03 18:42:40
I played and recorded two demos;
I died for not respecting exploboxes. I should have fucking known since I have a load of them in my current map :P
It definitely holds up today. You can see how many of the gameplay concerns are down to the fashion of the times and how many are genuine improvements when comparing this to modern releases.
In general thins have improved, but many classic set ups have been forgotten or ignored.
#9 posted by Shambler
on 2014/04/03 19:17:04
I'd forgotten how good this was. The only bad things are bland textures (especially end) and green monsters. The non-linearity, inside/outside combination, and gameplay are great. Good monster placement in particular.
#10 posted by Joel B
on 2014/04/04 07:38:07
All righty, so I played this again... first time in a long time. Maybe since it was originally released?
Nice layout, just enough nonlinearity for a bit of exploring but never getting lost. I think I was vaguely expecting a streets-with-actual-houses environment similar to the opening of czg's honey (is there another classic Quake map that I was thinking of?) but the more abstract and varied setting here turned out fine. Cozy-spooky in a good old-school Quake way. BTW the selected music track works very well with this map.
Random thoughts from my playthrough:
- Lots of good Ogre placements.
- There was a nailtrap early on that I was able to use to gun down Fiends. Fun stuff! More maps should allow that. :-)
- Speaking of Quads (as some folks were recently): first Quad here was well-placed. Visible before and during a fight, and generally set up to allow rampaging around a new area. Second Quad (docks) not so good; you won't see it until most immediate enemies are dead.
- The GL location was fun. You pass by a few monsters on a lower floor as you ride the elevator up to the GL, then you can send some grenades back down to them.
- Exit was a bit weird? You can just run out without engaging much in the final arena fight.
- I enjoyed the few "gotcha" traps, they were just an excuse to fight more dudes! Nothing frustrating.
Good map, and good idea for a thread.
#11 posted by necros
on 2014/04/05 00:56:13
Exit was a bit weird? You can just run out without engaging much in the final arena fight.
What kind of quake player are you????
Seriously though, I like that it's not forced for some reason.
#12 posted by Joel B
on 2014/04/05 02:53:14
I'm the kind that saves, kills everything, then reloads and sees if it actually lets me exit early. :-)
#13 posted by distrans
on 2014/04/05 11:49:48
Still Holds Up Well
#14 posted by ionous
on 2014/04/06 12:32:18
Fun stuff. Never realized before, that the end of Tronyn's 'The Lost Land' was the Shadow ending on steroids.
Build quality still holds up, lighting is appropriately moody and atmospheric. It may lack the polish of modern maps, but it's easy to why it's still highly regarded.
#15 posted by ijed
on 2014/04/06 13:28:20
I'm sure I've seen another homage to that tiered pyramid setup in one of Mark Shan's Q2 maps as well.
Yeah, So I Vote Mexx10 For The Next One
#16 posted by metlslime
on 2014/04/08 03:54:38
#17 posted by -
on 2014/04/08 04:21:43
I had actually considered making that the first pick. I've been doing basically this same thing in the topic of #tf for the last couple months, I would just link a random good map from long ago. I wasn't sure it was really getting much attention though and Spirit suggested doing threads.
Originally I had chosen sadlark8 for the #tf topic... but then decided that likely wasn't the best foot to start off on for doing this as a series of threads. It was a good map, and likely I will pick it again sometime because I do also want some of the 'forgotten, but good' maps... but I thought something stronger was better to lead off with.
Don't Pick The Next One Yet!
I still have to play this and pontificate on it.
Time Waits For No Man
#19 posted by ijed
on 2014/04/08 12:19:44
Replayed W/o Mouse At Low Resolution
#20 posted by Drew
on 2014/04/08 21:39:11
Was surprised at how good this was! Basically what everyone else said. I liked the monster skins, other than the knights...
I love that quasi naive aesthetic.
Like, the Neil Manke Starship textures and skins... everyone gave me shit about using them in a SM a long time ago, but I think they are fantastic.
I would suggest that as a potential next one, by the way.
#21 posted by ijed
on 2014/04/08 22:33:46
Hell in a can...
#22 posted by Mike Woodham on 2014/04/09 00:04:46
Choose something that has not been mentioned yet
#23 posted by Tronyn on 2014/04/09 00:33:45
I think, when I finally get some time in about 2 weeks, I will get really stoned and try playing this in software mode with no mouse either, to get the really oldschool experience. at the end I will weep tears of nostalgia. lol.
#24 posted by Spirit
on 2014/04/09 09:52:31
I recommend engoo with its pixel scaling as real actual proper "is that a pixel or a shambler" nostalgia.
Played With Transparent Water
#25 posted by Spiney
on 2014/04/09 15:34:49
so I guess that's cheating.
The Name Alone Made Me Play It
#26 posted by Harmata on 2014/04/10 14:03:46
Basically i have only two complaints: the first half of the map is very dark, i don't remember how wall textures look, and shadows also change visual shape of the level, make it less memorable. Didn't like them fall traps, quite primitive and not fully thought out.
Just like people have stated above, level has some nice monster placement, Lovecraftian theme (the fishy skins were a nice touch) and interesting layouts, open and underwater areas strongly enhance the atmosphere.
#27 posted by Spiney
on 2014/04/10 15:25:17
I like how there were a couple of doorways hidden in pitch black shadows.
#28 posted by Why? on 2014/04/10 15:53:02
#29 posted by Spiney
on 2014/04/10 16:31:35
#30 posted by mwh
on 2014/05/08 07:33:54
I can only imagine what playing this in 1997 would have been like. The layout and monster placement is great. I think maybe you get the SNG a bit early? And I don't think you could call the skins a success -- the knights are bad and the others merely fail to be good.