fuck my shity english for now on i will write PORTUGUESE 

Qu'est que ce 'Tambien'? 

Tambien is spanish... means "me also" 

Tambien 

Guess Ill leave my map as standalone thingy then.

Gotta say though, I'll stop posting on this thread now, but as for having an idea - 'Base Pack', this thread shows a pretty spectacular death of an idea - almost commendable in style :P

'...Last survivor of the Nostromo - signing out' 

I think we got exelent mappers in this small comunity... i made a mistake back than!

Posted by Trinca [85.88.130.59] on 2006/08/07 06:57:42

people dont work wel as a team... becouse everybody got there owns lives!!!

we are not kids anymore! so is better if we still working in our own projects... 

Rickyt23: are you french ? And sorry, I'm very busy at the moment so I don't think I would find time to beta test your map.

Trinca: Calm down please...

necros: Seriously, Trinca's point is valid: he / I asked several times about having a status about Quoth2 progress, and we never get a single answer. A single "we don't know when it will be ready" would have been enough, I would have been happy with such an answer, but I never get any single reply, only insulting posts, cause we were to "hurry" and "enthusiast"... maybe to aggresive regarding your point of view. And the fact you flamed me personnally just helped me to deliver my map earlier, and self outcast me from this pack.
So back to the past: why did you (Kell, to be honest) delivered a preliminary release if the intention was to not deliver ? I can understand at this time you were not in the loop, and also it would have been intersting for us to understand you didn't want to be part of the "adventure"... Many people here were expecting Quoth2, and get nothing, the first was me... What is the logic behind this acts ? I understand very well that you are a hobbyist, like Trinca, like me, like all of us here, but please, never answering a post, never answering emails is very rude IMHO...
Also the fact I tried to emulate everybody trying to find unfair solution, like delivering the preliminary pack in without Kell's agreement, was just a way to make people reacts... and when I say people I'm talking of the Quoth2 stakeholders ! and believe me, I would not have done it without Kell's permission. I respect too much his work for that..

Well, and finally, what will we get: nothing, no pack, and 2 years of delay, and many crys.. What a positive status !

Anyway, quoth2 will see the light of days (who knows when?) one day, and I will be the first to applause, and make a map with this mod...

And now, damned sons of bitches, go map and stop crying on the past... prepare the future please... ;) 

let�s rename pack name!!!

now name is:

Delayed Pack

and release date

2010

please a admin change topic :p 

he / I asked several times about having a status about Quoth2 progress, and we never get a single answer

as i said, i'm not a PR. i only post when i have something new to say. when someone asks me 'are you ready yet' and the answer is the same as the last time i was asked, i see no reason to reply.

why did you (Kell, to be honest) delivered a preliminary release if the intention was to not deliver ?

i don't think i can ever understand this point of view...

do you honestly think kell and i were sitting there forumulating a plan to purposely fuck everyone over by claiming to make a mod and then tricking everyone by not following through? if so, you have too much time on your hands to think about these things.

of course kell and i wanted to complete it to the best of our abilities. we both have similar work ethics. we believe in doing something right while accepting the minimum of tradeoffs. you have no idea how much discussion there was about what to skip and what to keep in. we felt, since it was going to be the last quoth, that we should get as much as possible in, even though there was pressure for a release.

Also the fact I tried to emulate everybody trying to find unfair solution, like delivering the preliminary pack in without Kell's agreement, was just a way to make people reacts

and you wonder why i flamed you personally? either you were serious about it, and that makes you ethically wrong, or you used it as a way to get us to post, which is manipulative and underhanded.

anyway, i'm off to eat-- i don't really know what else there is to say on this subject. 

do you honestly think kell and i were sitting there forumulating a plan to purposely fuck everyone over by claiming to make a mod and then tricking everyone by not following through?

I'm pretty sure it was not the case, though...

and you wonder why i flamed you personally? either you were serious about it, and that makes you ethically wrong, or you used it as a way to get us to post, which is manipulative and underhanded

And do you want me to react after twenty emails/post with no reply ? It was the only way to make you react !

In anyway, I'd be please to see Quoth2, and to use it... And for sure you acted as a bastard (sorry, but this reality)... at least it is my point of view..

End of story. 

And do you want me = And how do you want me... 

I've just been sitting back and eating popcorn. But I was going to strain something if I didn't respond to this:

the answer is the same as the last time i was asked, i see no reason to reply.

It's called communication, and it's something that human beings normally do with one another.

If someone asks "What's going on?", then "Nothing's changed; go away for at least a week or two and quit bugging me." is a pissy but acceptable answer.

Even "Go away and quit bothering me; I'm not going to respond to you anymore." puts a footnote on things, and explains the silence thereafter.

Simply not responding is unacceptable, passive-aggressive horseshit that leaves people confused and angry and serves to make a difficult situation even more messed up.

Fucking off now. 

pjw u said it all! 

Yep. 

So if I sent a mail to Charlize Theron asking if she could send me some nude pictures and I didn't get a reply that would be unacceptable, passive-aggressive horseshit?

Since when is there a "rule" that one has to reply to any emails at all?

And JPL:
And now, damned sons of bitches, go map and stop crying on the past... prepare the future please... ;)
Maybe next time apply your last sentence to your own post.

You guys badmouthing Kell and Necros disgust me. 

Wow, you're cool.

(Don't be dumb.) 

It's called communication, and it's something that human beings normally do with one another.

no, it's called assuming i wouldn't post an update with new information if it was available.

in any case, it's clear it was a mistake to try to do this along-side a user map pack.

i enjoyed working on quoth the most when we did the stand-alone version. i felt rushed when we did chapters, and the same thing happened here.
i think the best way to develope these kinds of things (and in hindsight, what should have been done) is to finish it first, independantly, or with a very small amount of people. (ie: like a real dev group)

i've had the opportunity to work in a few varied sized groups now for games related projects, and i've found the most productive are usually the small (2 or 3) ones. the breaking point seems to be about 5 or so, at least in my experience, but maybe i'm just unlucky.

in any case, i don't really care to get into an argument over your post, pjw, since i've already admitted that i'm not PR and don't work like that. 

i now i started the argue! i think is time to close this!!!

please some admin.

close this Threath
before people shoot eath other... maps that are in make can be remake use stand alone!!! 

My prize: Nothing and failure. 

And now, damned sons of bitches, go map and stop crying on the past... prepare the future please... ;)
Maybe next time apply your last sentence to your own post.

What did you think I do since SRC relase ? 

Spirit shut the fuck up please! 

owe you nothing.

Stop harassing them, ok?
It looks so selfish and inconsiderate.

I can understand that you feel bad but this is the world of hobbyism volunteer work, people often don't have time or spare effort to even respond to e-mail (I know I often haven't). That's just the way it goes. You should accept that when you start a project, even if there are no warning labels and stickers and huge licence agreements you have to agree to.

Also it doesn't look good if you tell some people to fuck off completely and then again are ok with them after a short while. Some people are not such hot heads and actually think that when someone offends them, he means something, and they feel bad and feel less like working with you anymore.

This whole stuff is not the worst thing in the world and should not be blown out of proportion either, just wanted to tell how it looks from an impartial observer's side. 

I totally agree with you on voluntarism and hobbyism.... However, it does not prevent people to communicate gently on their progress when they are more or less involved in such a pack...

As I said, even an single answer saying "guys, don't rely on us" would have been helpful.. Was it too much for them?

Anyway, let Quoth2 team work... it is the better thing to do..

And Trinca, calm down please :P There's no reason to put oil on the fire... it is too late... 

Give it a rest. As I understand it the base pack (the name of this thread, remember?) is gone, finished. Trinca released his solo and so did JPL.

Further maps under this name will just be Quoth2 maps, not a pack.

So why ressurect this argument? What are you hoping to achieve here?


Now I'm guilty (again) of keeping this thread alive. 

... asking about any Quoth2 news was not to restart a flaming session. I was just curious about the current development status...

I know some people are for sure working hard to polish, finalize and to make something of top high quality, and the idea was not to put pressure at all.

If somebody understood that, I regret it a lot, it was not the ultimate goal.