#10866 posted by skacky on 2014/05/03 22:15:17
Yeah well, Doom doesn't work like Quake at all in that regard. You can do nifty architectural stuff in Doom but nothing too complex.
 Spirit
#10867 posted by quaketree on 2014/05/03 22:57:15
Have you tried out some of the newer Doom engines? I personally like Risen3D and some of the maps made for it, especially the Egyptian themed one. If I were the type to give ratings I'd easily give it a 9 out of 10 (nothing ever gets a 10 in my book because there's no such thing as absolutely perfect).
#10868 posted by dwere on 2014/05/03 23:42:11
I recently tried some stuff for Risen3D. Felt like going back in time to the mid-00s, when it was all about making Doom look "modern" without much consideration for exploring its strongest points. The models are straight from that era, very little has changed.
Although it's probably wrong to judge by one level that I didn't even finish.
#10869 posted by JneeraZ on 2014/05/04 17:59:56
10 doesn't have to mean perfect. It can mean, "Has my highest recommendation". Making 10 mean perfect means your scale is from 1-9. With 9 being perfect. And down the spiral we go!!!
 Turn It Up To 11.
#10870 posted by Shambler on 2014/05/04 20:40:41
Nuff said.
#10871 posted by Spirit on 2014/05/04 23:27:15
Risen3D is not available for Linux and looks buttugly. Thanks though!
#10872 posted by quaketree on 2014/05/05 17:32:32
"10 doesn't have to mean perfect. It can mean, "Has my highest recommendation". Making 10 mean perfect means your scale is from 1-9. With 9 being perfect. And down the spiral we go!!!"
I blame my navy days for that. Nobody got a straight 4.0 evaluation from me, including myself (yeah, I had to evaluate myself which was kind of pointless really). Nothing is ever perfect and I'm always distrustful of any score that says something is perfect. If you can't find at least one fault with something, no matter how small it may be, then you weren't really looking at it.
I'd have to say that there are very few things that get that level of scrutiny and attention to detail. Generally speaking the worst enemy of good enough is trying to be the best, that usually means that nothing is ever finished because you're too busy polishing the cannonball to actually get it loaded and doing its job.
So yes, I suppose my scale is actually 0-9 out of 10 (which is still a scale of 10 if you think about it).
 Ratings.
I used to really prefer the rating system of 1-5 in the old CVG mags.
1. Poor
2. Average
3. Good
4. Very Good
5. Excellent
With this rating alone it would still make you want to read the article because it still feels less scientific than percentages or marks out of 10.
Plus CVG used to have a call out box with a second opinion on the game.
I really miss that mag, it was the greatest. If a game feels like it should somehow be worse than 1/5 they used to put little turd symbols all over the place.
 Turds
#10874 posted by quaketree on 2014/05/06 07:32:51
Now THAT is what Func_Msgboard needs. Every post that I have ever made needs that as an icon. Instead I'll use a crate, which is a sort of turd-ish thing seeing as it just sits there, takes up space, and is not something that people want to see.
 Just The One Screenshot...
I have a problem... my "quake like id did" is become a little bit more detailed than I intended... Oh well.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4b412mxcf71j37j/map4.jpg
#10876 posted by Joel B on 2014/05/06 21:49:04
It's looking pretty sweet regardless.
Do you have any particular "rules" that you're trying to operate by, or are you more or less going by feel? (I remember that the DTWID guys really went hog-wild trying to figure out concrete aspects of the specific design styles of various Doom map authors.)
 Not Really JL
I am making this entirely on my own and I don't really want to spend any time going through the minutiae of each mappers style. Generally speaking most of the maps in Quake could have been made by any of the other maps, *except* Sandy who had an almost doom-like style to his maps. I'm not even sure if I will end up finishing much beyond the first episode.
That also brings me to something else, should I release each episode as I complete it?
 QTWID
#10878 posted by killpixel on 2014/05/06 22:02:51
Sounds sexy. I'm ready.
#10879 posted by Spiney on 2014/05/06 22:45:39
I like the clean look of it... like if Id had spent the time making sure everything lined up neatly.
#10880 posted by Joel B on 2014/05/07 01:36:25
IMO you should release episodes (or even individual maps) as soon as you are happy with them.
 That Shot Looks Very Nice
#10881 posted by Drew on 2014/05/07 04:32:35
Its more detailed and clean than previous maps, maybe even to nice, compared to the others. Not that they aren't pretty in their own way, but this is different, obviously, and might stand out as such. The nice details within the map might slightly undermine the aesthetic of the pack overall... Then again, as a personal project, whatever. I'd also be worried that the project could get extended/distended if you start feeling the need to do that consistently throughout, if I were you.
I'd say that considering the relatively quick pace at which you made the previous maps, it would be a better pay-off to release episode-by-episode, or, if you can make yourself wait that long, until the whole project is 'finished' - whether that's a 'megawad', or 2 episodes, or whatever.
That being said, one or two maps released early could, depending on your work/motivation style, give you the impetus to keep going at a fairly quick pace...
 ....jesus
#10882 posted by Drew on 2014/05/07 04:36:56
who, other than myself, after a long day at work, and hoping to be constructive but worrying he is just rambling, writes like that? It is, I feel fairly safe generalizing on this point, a super fucking annoying way to write.
 ...
#10883 posted by distrans on 2014/05/07 08:56:28
 Drew
#10884 posted by Spiney on 2014/05/07 20:00:03
All too recognizable, I start rambling trying to articulate trains of thought. Rereading afterwards makes me realize I could condense stuff into a third. I even piss myself off reading some of my crap. Lol.
 Yes Totally, (long Winded) Story Of My Life
#10885 posted by Drew on 2014/05/07 20:10:12
... Or whatever.
 Something's Changed With Func...
#10886 posted by Breezeep_ on 2014/05/07 21:18:24
 Trenchbroom Tutorial Video
I decided to create a tutorial video, this is a test. I would love some honest feedback on it, I want to create a series of vids which allow someone with zero level design experience to easily learn how to map in a short space of time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BisleGBgQ4w
 This Video Is Private
#10888 posted by ijed on 2014/05/08 17:16:34
 Whooooooopsssss
Ok I set it to unlisted public.
 First Impressions
#10890 posted by ijed on 2014/05/08 18:24:52
Do an intro. Something that lasts 10 seconds and has a logo with a cool name.
Script it; you tend to repeat words a bit. Even if you throw the script out you'll be more fluid and comfortable because you have practiced.
Divide it into sections;
Tools
Compiling
Editor Setup
Engine
Brushwork
Lighting
Entities
etc.
At the start of each of these would be a good place to show your cool logo again as a type of intermission. This will help users pause, come back to it, try things out etc. and keep their mental place in the video.
Don't start with the func page - this should be something towards the end 'you can get help here'.
Show a map in the background near the start before you get into the detail, like 'You're going to be able to build this by the time we finish'.
Finally, finish with a preview of what the next video will contain. Maybe even break it up into lots of shorter videos covering the various topics above. This would allow viewers to jump back and forth and get to the video that explains the problem they're having.
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