Don't use scores at all. Like TeamShambler. 

Don't use scores at all.

I agree. I don't like numerical ratings for anything - maps, games, movies - it's inherently flawed.

Fractions and decimals end up creeping in: 3.5 stars out of 5? Why didn't you just start by scoring out of 10 then?

And nothing is ever actually rated below a certain number. Look at the fuss around PC Whatist magazine awarding Q4 something around 70% was it? But surely 70, when 100 = absolute perfection, is a reasonable achievement. But the actual index doesn't go from 0 -> 100. In practice it only really goes from about 60 -> 100, as though everything is granted more than half of a perfect score merely for loading correctly. So it becomes necessary to learn the particular preferences and biases of the reviewer over many reviews. Which is back to subjective preference anyway.

In short: if you can't say it with words, you're never going to be able to say it with numbers. And if you can say it with words, you don't need numbers. 

It all depends on what your goal is. For the Quaddicted Archive it is crucial to rate the maps to weed out the crap and have a nice list of play worthy maps. If a map is average, nice or excellent to the "actually playing player" is a different question of course but that's a thing you cannot grasp in a detailed text-review either. 

quaddicted has good ratings - crap/poor/average/nice/excellent

Not very flexible, but its enough. And how good the 'nice' map is everyone decides for himself.

I would add another 'good' gradation though, cause 'average' is akin to mediocre 

crap/poor/average/nice/excellent sure seems similar to a 5 star rating system. 

The best map ever made for Quake/Quoth/whatever, all in? 

ha ha just kidding that one sucks 

Marcher fortress was F.A.T. Some of WARPSPASM maps are FF.AA.TT. Who/what else? 

depend of tastes... there are a lot of then... and one of then is...

http://rpg.leveldesign.org/images/wmp20052006/egypt.jpg

http://rpg.leveldesign.org/files/mirrors/winterpack2005-2006.zip

e1m1rmx is also cool... oh wel they are quit few... 

That's czg!


Seriously though, I don't think there is "the best" map.

Is "Average" sounding like something not worth playing? I thought of it as "decent map you will have fun playing while it has some minor flaws (making it not Nice/Excellent)". 

Best quake map is czghate.bsp, which he hasn't released yet cause he hates us all. =( 

Release it, pretty please? (+cherry on top) 

Think I'll play through Terra Thing again . . . 

No, it's not done and it's breaking too many limits for my liking. Will not finish. 

Consined to a scraps folder? 

Will not? do we all have to make a trip to .se and kick your fat assuntill you finish map?
:p if we have to... 

"Average" tends to mean "either above or below the true average value of all maps, but probably below because most people want to sell their shit to me."

I suggest you replace it with "good." 

I doubt there is such a map. CZG has released many unfinished maps in the past, so why is this one being concealed?

Until I see some screenshots, I believe this map is nothing more than a hoax.

I also believe that the map name "czghate" means that czg hates everyone, and taunts them with a unfinished, unseen map. Just my opinion. 

"Average" tends to mean "either above or below the true average value of all maps
Indeed. Some average maps are 'OK', others are merely acceptable (both of which is often indicated). 'Good' maps are usually rated "nice". 

"I have recently figured out how to make a realistic painted surface on non painted surfaces such as wood, metal and concrete. Here is a preview of what we are going to do:"

http://www.methodonline.com/painted_tutorial.htm 

I'll be reading through Method's tutorials to see his take on stuff; I didn't check his site properly when he posted screenshots before. 

What neg!ke said. I will keep it like it is. 

But CZG sucks more. Take your pick. 

Many people on IRC have played czghate, me included, and it rocks hard.

Sorry czg. =(
Oh and, http://born-robotic.net/stuff/forczg.jpg
^___~ 

then it cant be the best map ever made!

In order for a map to count as the best map ever made it has to be one that people can physically play.

I know the matter of 'the best map ever made' is a matter of opinion, but Im curious as to what the contenders are / might be.

czg - you should release the map. People will complain if it breaks certain engine limits, but they're just silly, cause Quake came out 11 years ago, and nobody cares about the parameters of a game engine originally designed to run on a 486 75. Most people will have in excess of 1Ghz + 512 megs/ram (rather than 8), and I know that the increase in speed is not proportional in game because high content maps isnt what quake was originally designed for, but with modern ports availiable people should just shut up and shoot stuff!!!