just my 0.02. feel free to tear it up. :)

I will not :P : as I said, it is really a personal point of view, and also a personal inspiration feeling... If base maps provide better inspiration than medieval maps (or the reverse), it is up to the mapper to do whatever he wants...

At the end, the most important is the fun you have either creating the map, or playing the map... or both ;) 

true, now go start another one :p since the one u�ve got start beta :) i go map to becouse i already got some idears for next map! 

By conversing "The Hangar" for Quake I had a hard carrot with the extremely enhanced visuality of the map.
Of course, it are the Doom textures, but the experience of seeing the old monsters in a new look makes the gameplay rather sciensefiction.
Also stuffing it up with the skulls harrisment of ten, and the health bowl of 50 make it play on a different skill.
I would give something to understand the Mechtec setup. 

How does this fit as substitute for the Doom models?

http://members.home.nl/gimli/bowl.jpg 

roulfff weardooooooooooooooooooo 

leave old Doom and Quake as it should be :) 

base pisses me off. i'd rather see base in q2. q1 is for metal, gothic, medieval imo. no other game does it as well. but plenty of games offer far better 'base' than q1. 

But remeber its supposed to be an episode.

Are you impatient, or do you want an episode?


Big piece of me wants to help with Remake-Quake, but another large piece wants to make an episode.

Gimme a week and the first map (which as you all know is always a base map) will be in alpha. And you know how I do it - 1 map at a time. Grrrr.......

I dont know what to do. 

play ricky's last map and tell me that it's not as good a base map as in any other game. 

I love it!
A bit more detail wouldn't kill, but it looks very authentic. the "quake large shells" look out-of-p-lace there though. Gimme good old doom-looking shells please! ;P 

I must apoligize to trinca, i will never do Quake any harm again with my truncinized maps.
it took more place in converting doom models and all in a Quake map, so why not the health bowl and skull.

As I mapped the skull.bsp again, I forgot it rests on another hull.
Now it looks sunk.
Can't find the map again though, aargh.

http://members.home.nl/gimli/skull.jpg 

Dude - dont kill the skull!!!
In Quoth there is a worldspawn spawnflag to use models of the items - health, ammo etc - then they take shadows!!!

So:

Make a model of the skull.
Or else you can have it fullbright! 

I wondered how to get a bsp model in it.
I didn't shoot the sherrif!

http://members.home.nl/gimli/doom3.jpg 

By base are we talking about just the texture set which I agree is the least interesting of the Quake sets or do you mean game style? If the later, Gun Cotton rates as one of the best, and I can't see any reason to hate it. 

Depends if you mean idbase or not. Base theme tends to get dismissed because everyone thinks - 'ah flat old level design clothed in idbase'.

Even idbase can be used in new ways still - there's been a few idbase maps over the past year that have really shone and done something new.

Weather base or medievel, metal or elder is best is entirely subjective.

Monsters are a problem, but name me a good unmodified progs base map that uses only grunts and enforcers. Could be I'm forgetting something obvious there.

Madfox, I think they need to be rounder - a few extra verts or maybe even convert the original sprites, though I guess you've tried that.

Ricky, the black goat wants YOU!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/Shub-Niggurath.jpg 

I love your maps. No bones about it. You and me both will stick up for IdBase for reasons you and I know. You dont spend months working on something just for it to be dismissed because of the texture set.

Now I am - say 80% through with my current MAP, but that means 16% through a POTENTIAL EPISODE.

I really dont know what to do, because I have recieved an email from the project-website-thingy for every thing that you and Gb have suggested, and frankly it sounds really cool. Awesome infact (although I do think that painskins would work if done properly)(although I would have blood-splat zombie gibs sliding down walls if it was left up to me too, so... ).

What I mean is "do I release my map when finished or do I take it to a small episode level of say - 3 levels - a base, a midevil and then a metal? (I wouldnt try an Elder map because I am so unfamiliar with the format....)"?

I mean do you want another project on the go, seperate from Remake Quake, or do you want all guns aimed at Remake Quake?

:P 

idbase is hella fun. I love the clean lines and the consistent look to it. I'll always be a fan. I'm going to make my next map medieval just so I can force myself into a different style. 

It's up to you what you make. All the code we're working on means the maps are getting neglected so it'd be good to have some help on that side.

I've got complete playthrough alphas for six maps of epsiode 3, but I need to overhaul alot of it. And e3m7 is pretty fun to work on, experimenting with the new enemies.

Most boring secret level? Trying to change that.

Blood splats - we could well be doing that engine-side.

I'm thinking of attacking the Elder maps next . . . mixing dungeon otherworldness and organic elements.

Making an episode on your own is fun, even if it has a bad affect on your social life, but to be honest making an episode in a team has a similar effect. 

HeadThump: thanks mate. I totally forgot I actually made a base q1sp, haha.
Anyways I guess I mean both the style and the texture set - but idbase in particular has been done to death. Certainly there are some awesome q1sp base maps, even in idbase. I just prefer all the other Quake styles, because I feel Q1 is more suited for horror than a high-tech base. Ricky... make an episode :D 

High tech base? Sure, better in Q1. But what about grimy, industrial/rusted base styles? Given the Q1 base monster set they seem to fit equally well within the scope of Quake as any other world castle... 

Better in Q2 even. But y'all could infer that I'm sure 

brown is good, you can't go wrong with brown :) 

superrrrrrrrr 

super figureee 

A bit off topic, but we've recently added another of your old maps to the Speed Demos Archive. The map in question is alk08, the other being alk07 which we added to the archives some time back in 2000.

http://speeddemosarchive.com/quake
(there's some demos on alk08 in the newest update)

http://speeddemosarchive.com/quake/mkt.pl?level:alk07
http://speeddemosarchive.com/quake/mkt.pl?level:alk08

Other than that I just want to welcome you back, you've made some really great looking maps over the years. Sadly most of them I haven't been added to SDA because of "new textures/monsters/etc." issues.