I'm very sorry if all of have been hurted by my enthusiasm... what you cal "nastyness"

I just would like to remind you that I also have a life beside Quake mapping, and that Quake mapping is also a hobby for me, but when I commit to deliver something: I do it.

IMHO, it is a matter of respect of others. Now it seems that you don't care about other people but yourself.

So if you are happy like this, no problem... I don't care, but then don't ask people to rely on your deliveries when not ready, and also when you don't care: this how I felt it.

I think it is the last time I will try to join any kind of mapping pack project, for sure.
So will rework my maps, no problem...

You can consider me out of the Base Pack scope now, so I will not be a "problem" for you anymore... I will not complain anymore, don't worry... 

releasing the source at this time could easily result in a hodgepodge of different quoth mods all potentially incompatible to each other. 

The hodgepodge is much better than no more Quoth updates at all.

The base pack rules could easily incorporate something like, "use this specific quoth update we have made." 

A lot of people have argued in this basepack thing. A lot of work has been done and is still going on. I released my map because I felt it was time for it. Had some good reply. Still want to use it for the base pack, because it will be much harder then.

Why this arguing about the deadline? the only deadline I see is a good fermented moment I experienced the original Quake feeling. And if it's realy worthwhile time makes no sense and all the same... I have patience.

I admire Trinca for his proposal that has got this tremendous response.
I admire JPL also for his pulling input to get the thing done, which also can be wrong interprented, but is in my opinion only neccesary. The same goes for Necros and Kell, who are only contributing for the love of the game.

What I want to say?
The more you get involved, the more good advice can be misunderstood.

Sorry for my bad language. 

You guys should have just used the existing Quoth.

And inertia: Forking sucks. 

Yeah, and so does dead development. 

Spirit STU :p you dont know Quoth2 :p is brutal for base pack! :p shame that stuff are so delay but what can i say... nobody is pay for is work in here :\

i�making another map for base pack so for me fuck deadline! i dont care anymore... 

Anyone volunteering to help out? I will definitely volunteer to add the bmodel-less triggers and fix up the shooter code, but I am not sure I am capable of doing or have time to do much else.

I guess we could contact the inside3d guys and see if any of them fancy helping out. Even if they don't want to work on it directly, I doubt they will be against giving coding advice etc. if we have any big problems.

How does this sound?

p.s. this doesn't mean I am working on my bp map right now, but it does mean I plan to finish it! 

Does anyone (Kell, Necros, SDA guys if you are reading) think there is a chance of merging Quoth update with the speedrunning stuff when the Quoth side is done? Seeing people run our maps is always cool, and I'm sure it would be good to get it in there as it would open a lot of new maps up to be speedrun. Not only is there the basepack, but there are the actual quoth maps, the vertical pack and a lot of currently unfinished WIP maps that are all using Quoth.

Anyone knowledgeable think it's a possibility? 

I can try and help out with any problems you encounter, advising and stuff. But I can't commit to properly working on it for another month, I have exams and stuff until then. So get in touch now, and if it's still unfinished in a month I can step in "full time", so to speak. 

- JPL wants to make another of his legendary maps, with new Quoth features, which would make his work even better (if that�s possible), and he�s getting impatient due to (understandable) delays.

- K+n don�t have the time to implement these features due to RL.

That�s it, no need for anyone to get upset IMO ;)

I�d say:
JPL: if you want to release, do it, it�s always appreciated by us players to see a new map of yours, I�m sure it will play well in Quoth1.

K+n: no matter how long it takes, we�ll have the patience; Quoth is the best thing since Nehahra and thus an update is worth waiting for.

Keep it up guys, I�m looking forward to the Base Pack. 

don't see why we can't have the source code to quoth... 

I presume it's because they don't want to see their hard work raped. Which seems to me to be a perfectly reasonable concern, given that they've had such clear intentions from the start with Quoth. It is their creation after all, and theirs alone to do with as they please, free of guilt, obligation, or pressure from outside parties. 

they are looking for help to finish it now and since there are people who don't mind helping out I can imagine that it will be finished soon enough and more or less to the spec Kell and Necros wish. 

now that i learned more stuff in light�s i might rebuil all wbase in lights term...

i like Quoth mod and what people have done, but i think some words spit in here weren�t good...

necros was a to much violent with JPL, i now nobody is beying payed and real live is first, but A FUCKING SMALL COMMENT IS EASY TO MAKE... 

what i mean was if you wasn�t with intencions to work with code you should talk sooner... JPL is not the only base pack mapper...

that�s the

FUCKING SMALL COMMENT YOU SHOULD HAVE MAKE...

you are one of my favorit mappers nad coders but please we all are growups guys... a litle text everybody understands...

go in peace! 

Why get so pissed off?

I'm prepared to wait as long as it takes for Quoth2, because it'll be better if its not rushed at the last minute (like Warp).

JPL - release your map under Quoth1, but release it as well under Quoth2 / basepack, there's no reason not to.

Yes, it is a hobby, yes we make these maps for fun, but for the love of god don't bring the ego to it.

And I'm saying that to all of you now.

I've seen countless times where there's a wealth of talent that's fucked because nobody can just do the job without bitching.

I dunno; it's your baby, and I know it'll be a good update, but there's no need to make an outcast of JPL - no matter how much he's bugged you. 

I've been offline for a week. I have a few emails from people. I'm in the process of replying now. Thanks :) 

Kell i rebuild my wbase map becouse lights were very flat... but i already finish this!

abour my second map is 60%, 70% made so might not be in this pack is release will be soon becouse i want to make a vertical map and i start it to :\ and is progressing nicely 

Kell i rebuild my wbase map becouse lights were very flat... but i already finish it!

about my second map is 60%, 70% made, so might not be in this pack if release in close... i want to make a vertical map and already started to :\ and is progressing nicely! ;) so in final of june i might have vertical and my fbase(second base map)done! 

so? any news? 

let's say... good you're sober again! 

just wait 1 or 2 years and maybe it will be release. 

put aq nick and then talk...

Kell how things going? 

Believe it if you want... but I'm not none :P