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E2M5rmx :: Q1SP
so it turns out by missing the contest deadline i was able to get my entry released before the others :-) think of it as an unofficial warmup...

screens: http://isoterra.co.uk/stuff/e2m5

download: http://isoterra.co.uk/stuff/e2m5/e2m5rmx.zip

hope you enjoy it! also this is the only quake related site i use, so if anyone knows any others then feel free to spread it around :-)
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Those screens looking fucking -sick-. I want to retract my stupid ass entry. I wish I had finished it now... 
Yes 
even from a pretentious, non-fun point of view, that looks great!

Ergo, I'll download straight away. 
 
rj

www.quakeone.com 
Superb Map... 
...but what the smegging fuckma have you done to those Ogres?!?!

I completely forgot the E2M5 layout and where the secrets should be.

There's some great architecture in this, really shows how much Quake mapping has come on in the last 12 years ;) 
 
rj map for 12 years? 
Nice Map 
(Damn those ogres, took me a while to realise why I died so often, then it got easier.)

Some wonderful architecture, I especially like that room which you later revisit on a higher level. The lighting was a bit dark.
Great job!


News from here spread around all by themselves. ;) 
Great Map 
I really wish I had remembered to record a demo, as my 1st run through was very entertaining! :/

Had a few issues where I was sniping Ogre's with my shotgun for a fair amount, but apart from that the map was great in terms of design.

It looks fantastic! Love the texture combo and skybox, very nicely done. I didn't have any issues with brightness (or lack thereof).

I did at the very end run out of all ammo apart from rockets, and had to kill a Shambler with my axe (hence I wish I had recorded!) but I think I was silly with ammo pickups early in the level, collecting them when I only had few units deficit...

Overall a very creative outlook on the e2m5 map, loved every minute of it.

Oh, the moving platforms bit was very well done btw, I first saw it and sighed as I thought it would be a very crap puzzle, but it turned out very nice and the combat involved was good. 
QUAKE LIVES ! 
Quake1 still alive and kickin' !

Thanks, mate ! 
Nice 
pretty direct adaption of the original it seems, it was the original route, wasn't it. Just _much_ bigger scale.

Well done, textures aren't my cup of tea, neither is blood instead of water. It would have been a good opportunity to finally _show_ us the mysterious Wizard, or at least the lizard ;) but perhaps some things better reamain unseen...

I thought the room with 2 fiends (crescent shaped room) seemed a bit empty for the scale.

Moving platform thing was well done, it did look like a "no please" kind of puzzle, but it's in fact pretty clever (and simple.)

One problem for people with less than stellar FPS:

The jump out of the MH slime pit onto the walkway with fiends is FPS dependant. You won't make it with really low FPS (r_speeds contribute to that situation.)

Same situation as in Ijed's TPOF, the jump out of water towards the key area.

Otherwise, good map, congrats! 
Thumbs Up 
I just have to agree with what's already been said. Great architecture and balanced gameplay. Those ogres are more fun to fight with their precise aim.

I recorded my first playthrough on hard and about mid way it shows a bug with a hell knight stuck on one of the rising platforms.

Definitely a must play. Right now.

http://shub-hub.com/files/demos_singleplayer/orle2m5rmx.dz 
Whee 
i always loved the q3gothic textures, and you got the nice reds in there and some awesome circular room designs on top of that.

n1 ^_^ 
Now 
That's a remake. Nm was actually a challenge thanks to the Ogres and everything was impressive and well built.

A couple of times the Shamblers had trouble hitting me for ledges . . . which was alot of help ;)

The ending was cool. 
Very Good 
Solid construction with a proper theme. A bit dark, the brightness slider helped. The z-aware Ogres were ok but nothing special in the end - they didn't change gameplay considerably - and I barely noticed the new ambient sounds. So in my view, an id1 version would have done the job as well.
There're some possiblities for optimitazion, although r_speeds seemed to stay within reasonable limits most of the time. Five items dropped out - people, test your maps with developer 1!

Definitely a cool remix, really makes me look forward to the other ones. 
 
So in my view, an id1 version would have done the job as well.

pretty much the sole reason for moving to a custom progs was preach's 'teleporting monster flag' code. i had loads of gameplay situations where i didn't want to spawn the monsters in straight away and i really hate setting up teleports up for all of them; it's incredibly tedious & time consuming as well as being prone to target errors and a strain on bmodels. once i put that code in, the rest of the alterations were pretty much a bonus.

the ogres suck in this map without the z-awareness, probably due to its scale. there were very view situations where they could actually hit you prior to the code being added, which resulted in lots of dull 'stand and shoot' action which isn't what quake is about for me...

thanks for all the comments, people :-) 
Gb @#9 
I always was thought the wizard was the zombie nailed to the wall in the vertical section of the Dismal Oubliette - where the platform lowers as the player has traps and enemies thrown at them.

Reckon it was so that id could cheat a boss in, the same as they did for the two fiends on a lava bridge in e3 - an event more than a boss, as such. 
Well Done 
A nice remake here. Very nice sense of scale, with the map seeming to dwarf the player.

New orges kicked my ass. Not used to them being able to aim. 
 
Great map! I liked the q3 textures and blood water. The semicircular room with windows looking out on to the skybox had a great atmosphere. 
Love It 
absolutely great architecture, texturing and lighting. Some of the main rooms look brilliant (my favorite being the spiked dome one where you can also peer out into the skybox).

gameplay's nice too, interesting and refreshing from the recent horde maps.

oh, and I like the new ogres even if the new cde makes some of their long range shooting look funny animation wise. 
Thanks 
Orl: i just played your demo. the hellknight bug was strange.. not sure what would have caused that. and damn you for spotting that misaligned texture, haha. the amount of times i've stood there picking off that hellknight on the far side.. yet your demo was the first time i spotted it (before you focused on it too). very entertaining though, i was kinda relieved you died at the end cos you seemed to manage most of the 2nd half without losing much health :-)

has anyone gotten all three secrets yet? i added one towards the end :-) 
The Wizard's Pants 
1st run-
skill 3 / 39mins(+tea break) 134/145 / 1 of 3

No-one mentioned the secrets ? I was trying to think where the originals were, managed to find the first one, eventually :) missed the other 2.
Very good remake, impressive size, nice details, re-spawns and ogres. They definately added to the fun. Nice to see them throwing eggs all the way across the semi-circular room, although at the opposite door their aim just hit the wall above the door. Also in that room, I really loved the added 'shove you in the room' as you get blown forward. Great touch. Strange ending but the in-fighting helped me survive. Nice balance, just about enough ammo.
Thanks.
(I'll go back to the secrets. I rem the RA in the original, maybe there's one nearby ? :)

Got Them All. 
19,06 minutes
109/111(but know where the 2 remaining ones are).
3/3 secrets.

4th try. This map rocks all the way! I would've loved a secret area in the fashion of e1m1rmx(i.e. a completely new area), that would've made this perfect.

But, it's still awesome. Awesome architecture, good flow. Made me realize how good the original layout of this map was. Glad you took away the obligatory drowncage ride from the original.

I love this to death! Great!!!

P.s. Tried to record a coupla firstrun demos, but them ogres(love them!) raped my tender back savagely, so I decided not to post. If anyone's interested, drop me a mil... 
First Run Demo 
http://shub-hub.com/files/demos_singleplayer/e2m5sham.dz

Successful but pretty slow due to initial aggression being tempered by Ogres and layout confusion. AGLQuake demo. 
Heh :) 
fun demo. frustrating though cos you were practically looking at the button to the quad secret when you exclaimed "where are the secrets!". funnily the one you didn't find is the one that's in the exact same place as the original :)

did my own nightmare 100% if anyone's interested: http://isoterra.co.uk/stuff/e2m5/e2m5rj.dz (15 min) 
 
Nothing more that have been said!!!

FRANSTASTIC LOL

first demo!

http://trinca.quaddicted.com/temp/e2m5rmx.dz

died on hard :\ fucking shamby with only rl = bored :( going to try again.

was a stupid death... me = noob

p.s-> good job the map got a great atmosphere
p.s2-> more please... 
Ijed 
Yeah, they should have added proper bosses :) I always imagined the wizard to be another of Shub's (or Quake's) lieutenants. He's probably another leftover from the fantasy game they were making initially. ... Maybe we'll see him once :) 
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