Also, I'm sure people here know some of the iD staff. Can we not just get them to send a cease and desist from either iD or their lawyers?

(you said something about not being bothered to sue you right? ;) 

sooo... willem works for one of dime-a-dozen bullshit console catering companies that put out 3rd person shitty shooters and sell them to teenagers who couldnt tell you what a good game really is.

google 'logical fallacies' before you use another 'appeal to authority' to back your arguement that somehow he's right in acting like a knowitall douche because he works at some company that makes games for kiddies.

while you're at it, try to guess how many dollars this ZLZ guy would be stealing from id by releasing a free map for their free game (QL) to be used freely in single player against bots.


next, while you're pondering, take note that I'm not the guy who made the map, and he didn't bother to even talk about your illegal copyright infringement hoohaa.

He hasn't insulted any of you, yet you are still harping on him and his 'work' like an a prick elitist modder, because you think you know so much that you dont have to bother reading the thread.

look at the IPs and, ya know, think a little in the future before you open your mouth. 

If you can't take the heat, get out of the internets or tell your little forum lackeys not to start shit by trashing people and their contributions out of some sort of mistaken belief that they are superior because they have no lives and plenty of time to make custom content for video games.

Can you not see how right off the bat, they were asking for someone to respond to their posts in an not so nice manner? 

i think it almost worked that time :P 

you're not typing hard enough. 

if either of you could conjugate a sentence, or weren't self proclaimed 'modders' for a long dead video game.

:) 

does not conjugate a sentence. 

...amid all the shit flinging, I don't have any particular legal beef with any of this (even though I work in the industry). I frankly just don't care enough about that aspect of it when it comes to one person screwing around with one map. I'm guessing that id has plenty of money and lawyers, should they choose to take any action, and they don't need my help.

My beef is posting a map that's a straight auto-conversion across a couple of different tool sets with no concern whatsoever paid to scale or player speed or game balance or any of those things.

I've played some Generations remakes and some of them are pretty damn cool. They look and play great because of the time and care and effort that went into the process of remaking them in a thoughtful way, and changing things that needed changing.

Put a bit more effort into making something cool and you'll find that this community is pretty quick to encourage and praise. This map took five minutes (by your own admission) and looks like a bag of boiled assholes. I'm not sure what you were expecting. 

your little forum lackeys

Quoting for irony. 

@inertia:

conjugate as in "to join together" not as in to dick around with the tense of a verb.

Here's the statement, in plain english this time, for the slow crowd:

I stated that they seem unable to join words together to form a sentence, and as such they seem intellectually incapable of forming a verbal assualt that would affect me.

nice try tho. 

You toughening yourself up for something really badass? Like biting into a lemon, drinking a whole pint of shandy in one go or taking piss in the neighbours garden?

What's your point here? It's not defending zlz - who didn't seem to care much about any of the negative comments his conversion got. Is it defending free use / conversion in general?

Not sure I'd buy that one either, the trolling tactics are pretty obvious. Whatever you wanted to win you probably already did. Over anyone who still cares.

I'm battling a thousand - doesn't the mournful sound of the wind and empty stadium take the fun out of that?

Why not go and look at the speedmaps in the last batch, or try commenting on something in another thread.

You might already have done that, but I don't care enough about anyone on the internet to memorise their ping.

Fun to read thread anyway. 

batting Since they don't play stickball where I'm from. And I can only scroll up the last 25 posts for c+p since I'm lazy and disabled most of my touchpad functions. 

Can't pretend I did more than skim the latest flaming....but I want lackeys! And minions! 

what's a lackey? 

Hail Shambler! 

Don't nerd rage before bed time. You'll upset your tummy. Go jerk off to some anime and get a good nights sleep. 

Done and done. 

I'm suddenly receiving much more spam . . . 

Honestly, why are you here? If you hate us so, and we suck so much, and you don't care, why are you coming back day after day just to make pointless trolls?

Not that I mind; I've got my bag of popcorn, and we're here for the long haul. 

Nobody really cares and they're just here to watch the OTHER people make asses of themselves. That's the ticket. 

I get replies and that makes me feel like someone is giving me attention.

Heh - this thread just wont DIE!!! 

I stated that they seem unable to join words together to form a sentence, and as such they seem intellectually incapable of forming a verbal assualt that would affect me.


Quoting for irony 

maybe

... its not worth the keystrokes or spell check to comment farther 

I haven't stated that I hate all of you, or that I think all of you suck at all, or that "I don't care" in general.

When I mentioned not caring it was in reference to willem continuously posting things that were not in any way useful or informative. I don't care if he continues to do so, because like the rest of you, I see his little baby blue name and just skip the crap he posts that contains no actual content or arguments.

I haven't mentioned hate once.

I do think people that trash a relative newbie modder over something as silly as a quick rip of a popular map really do suck. But, you ALL did not do that. Just a select few to whom my comments were directed, and I never said they suck. I said they were stuck up elitist pricks who seem to believe that their copious amount of free time gives them the right to put down others who dont have so much time to make original content.


To answer your question tho, you can scoll up and read the part where I mentioned that someone from another community had linked me here after having a laugh about how uptight people were being about a non-issue such as this guy making a rip of a quake map for another quake game.

I came here to observe the asshattery, and I decided, once I was here, that I would enjoy myself at the expense of certain raging dicks who are overly concerned about copyright law and who feel it is disrespectful to them that a guy liked someone elses work enough to copy it to a new media and post it for others to try out.

Essentially, I came to observe the uptight stupidity, noticed how easy it would be to generate more stupidity from the people who were posting, and decided to stir the pot for more action.

Considering the number of people claiming this to be the best thread in a while, I think I succeeded in at least infusing some life into this internet backwater, even if I didn't convince one of you to take a step back and stop crapping on this guy for making a quick rip that hurt nobody and that you didn't have to comment on in the first place. 

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If I'm reading your post correctly, and I believe I am, your position is:

Waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh