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Realism versus is the dogs bollocks. Just got out of a game where one of my teammates said "valve just accidentally fixed versus mode, and they're going to roll it back in six days". Other highlights included us getting a sub in half way, and straight away telling him he was going "rambo" for walking 10 feet away from the group. It is pretty tough on uncoordinated teams though - catch someone alone with a hunter and they'll go down before they can type where they are. Getting a kill like that is not out of the question!
I think the new witch he means is the bride who constitutes the panic event on the first map. I remember discussing an idea for improving the witch in versus would be to make her summon a horde if you wake her up or crown her - giving a good reason to sneak around her. This panic event lets you see how that would work, which is cool. Of course, versus realism has a slightly different approach - making the witch an instant kill. Waiting to see how balanced that makes the sugar mill now... You definitely need a microphone for that. Typing is out of question. This mode is pretty much for pro players only, CS to the max.
Yeah, some microphones are necessary, we managed with two in the team - as long as they pay attention to their teammates and call when other people are pinned then you can manage alright.
Other observations on realism: It makes the jockey a lot more viable than it was before, for two reasons. The most obvious benefit is that once you have someone, there's no indication of where they are, or even that they've been grabbed, except for the "get him off me!" sounds. You can usually get people further away and hide them for longer. The other advantage you get in realism is that it becomes much easier for a survivor to become separated without realising that they have. This plays well with the spitter, you can actually take advantage of the separation the spit offers if you get a 3 and 1 split. It's nice to have it serve that role, rather than just using it as a damage multiplier on pinned survivors. Since she summons the wedding guests when waking up. Anyone play the midnight riders song yet? I'm guessing it's only on that radio that's next to her.
For me the witches are a bit broken in L4D2... the wandering witch can take a shotgun blast without waking up. They should always summon a horde on wake, or always instakill the player, or attack the entire team. A witch should be potentially more dangerous than a tank - if the team are unprepared / stupid. Which there's no excuse for because of the crying / singing. In fact, the only excuse is being deaf. A player in our LAN group is and we have to make sure to type 'witch' when the sounds start or she'll walk right into her. Realism Versus will probably be Monday LAN - I might give the func_group a go some time over the weekend but the ping problems and a heavy weekend schedule might kill that. I didn't notice anything special or different about the bride, but I did notice witches sometimes get stunned (in a seemingly buggy way) and take a moment before attacking, like you said. There are some AI clipping issues too.
The MR song can also be played on the jukeboxes. Getting a headshot on a witch using a sniper rifle will stun it for a second, it's the best way to coordinate a firing squad on one.
for installing this on my machine without me even knowing! Cant complain about that.
Seems fun, areas are pretty decent size. Haven't had time to play it so much yet, but looks nice.
Witches are fine in versus really, as infected you have to spot where they are, and plan a coordinated attack around her, to force the survivors to wake her while they are busy being boomed/smoked/whatever. Do you get the Killing them Swiftly achievement?
I must have activated the various radios at least ten times by now. Jukebox only, hit the thing a few times.
Also, Ellis is now not such a crappy character - SPOILER: /wading through sewage 'Hey guys, I found a candy bar! Only played it with bots. Cool, but short. Could have used another map and perhaps an ending that was less blatantly setting people up for Scavenge.
Survivor zombies - cool. New machine gun thingy - extra cool. Supply chests - completely unneeded. Map 1 is nice, map 2 is cool to start, gets a bit....bland later on, but interesting atmosphere. More l4d2 = more coolness. Who'd have thought that removing the common zombies would make the game more tense.
Finally, a real single-player mode. Word homie. Only played a little bit of that mod but thought it worked really well. Completely different atmosphere and effective gameplay mode.
I disagree. Admittedly I only played the first two levels of the first campaign, but that's because I got too bored to continue. I just ran through, shotgunned whatever got in my way, lit a tank on fire and ran away until he died, done.
I find a lot of the tension was actually removed, and many of the items become useless as well. The bile bomb/pipe bombs completely worthless, defibs worthless, melee is worthless, etc. (I would assume they would be taken out of this mode because they are worthless, but I didn't stop to verify.) I'm surprised you'd even consider playing L4D without some poor survivors to shoot in the back and then go bugger off somewhere.
Anyone mapping for this game? I decided to take a look at it over the long weekend and I really liked what I saw. I'm enjoying building little spooky areas...
The tools are a bit shite, not Hammer, but specifically the in-game navmesh stuff is just sooooo damn cumbersome and time consuming. I'd like to make some Scavenge maps for it and then string them together into a campaign, but I always spread myself thin and I never complete anything. :(
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