...why doesn't someone remake Q2DM1 for offline Quakelive play?? It's a great map, Quakelive is Q3A right?? So remake it with all the Q3A graphical shizzle, suitable textures, try to incorporate some of the tricks from the original Q2DM1....see how the gameplay pans out with Q3A... 

It is not possible dus to the copyright.... :P 

and truthfully I dont care.

I know that laws are laws, but I dont solute any flags, and sometimes laws should and can be bent, twisted and occasionally snapped.

As long as no-one gets hurt, or ripped off financially (short or long term) then I fail to see where the harm is. And if it's just a matter of principal for some people then fine, I guess I will never see eye to eye with those people (on some things).

Like when driving up a mountain pass I often drive on the wrong side of the road (when I can see that there is no oncoming traffic) so make the corners less harsh.
Is that so wrong?!!? 

I'm honestly OK with that, Ricky. Bend the laws for the purposes of fun or what have you - go for it, everyone does it. However, what I take issue with is the weak sauce justifications that these clowns often use to justify it. If they could stop that crap, I could stop breaking their balls over it. 

haven't been here for maybe half a year. I didn't see the original post, but when did func people start getting so worked up about someone making a bad quality rip?

Who cares? Some old id map for some newer id game...

It may be against the law but that's beside the point.

It's a bit like copying books that are long out of print. (Which may not be against the law but that's besides the point too.) Those who own the printing plates / rights to the material just don't bother to print any new books, even if there is demand. So they voluntarily have removed themselves from the picture.

You are providing useful services to people and not taking profit away from anyone.

Ethics is more important than the law.

There are lots of Q1 maps having Q3 textures here and there for example... I don't really know the legal issues with this and nobody in their right mind couldn't get that worked up. Mind somewhat, yes, it'd be nice if there were free textures and a completely free Quake release, with new sounds and all, and still paying some stylistic homage...

But all in all this whole rip not such a big thing. 

They forget that we can just scroll up the page and see where they're contradicting themselves.

On the other hand I agree with alot of what was said by most. There aren't sides in this, unless everyone has their own.

As to the discussion, there's a certain amount of leeway in modding and mapping to do what you like. You only hear about legals stepping in when it's a movie license.

Anyway, welcome to Func on behalf of the elitist name owning albino (for lack of sunlight) masses. 

 

Bambuzzled said that Ethics is more important than the law.

Aaaand, art is more important the the law. But ethics are more important than art. 

I heard there was this leet pro MAPPER called zlz, who is already working really really hard on the offline QL version of q2dm1.
I think he also did the level design for the smash hit Super Noah's Ark 3D, which was even ported to the famicon.

An epic classic!

All of you guys are fucking entertaining btw! 

Yahoo Search's cache has it:
http://74.6.239.67/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.celephais.net%2Fboard%2Fview_thread.php%3Fid%3D60374&rd=r1&fr=yfp-t-501&u=celephais.net/board/view_thread.php%3Fid%3D60374&d=A-VqId29Tb1S&icp=1
(alternatively search for http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=60374 on Yahoo and click the cache link) 

yeah, i think that's the guy! 

 

SM156_Pack is out! Go play it! 

SM156_Pack is out! Go play it!

... and moderators please close definitely this thread... 

lol, why does the Quoth source code come up in nearly every discussion? 

I wouldn't close this thread, there's too much actual discussion going on. Too bad half of it is flames, but so it goes.

I do think it would be a good idea to leave up the original thread post text and links for posterity, if there was any way to recover them (note to self: save version history of edited threads.)

And the original news item, while maybe not that interesting, isn't some sort of crime against the internet, though I guess shambler is right that it doesn't really fit into the category of things we typically post news about, such as new user-made maps and mods, new engines, new mapping tools, etc.

Actual question: since you can't play against other humans using custom quake live maps, what is this for? Just playing against bots? 

Yeah didn't really know what to do with this one. Didn't like the flames though.

There is probably a worthy discussion topic in it's own right. 

Wasn't the main argument for converted textures in Quake1 maps that Q1 is archaic, unplayed except for us and a few scary QW players (who do far worse things to the engine imo) and generally forgotten about, so converting things _to_ it was illegal but irrelevant.

Converting content to QL is a different matter. That's a currently played game with at least some modern relevance, therefore more of an issue when illegal material for it is released.

And that's without mentioning the 100s of hours it takes to create a map using stolen textures vs script-kiddie converter fun.


Oh, and couple of points on Willem and copyright; firstly, he's got better at not mentioning this (and I'm normally the first to bite him when he does), but he works at Epic and was a senior on Gears of War 2 (among various other uber games you'll have played). Since you seem to be questioning his credentials to comment on this (which rates kinda higher than the 'content' of posts which are mostly poorly formed insults).
Secondly, you posted a link to the stolen work you created and admitted to it's creation on a server hosted in the US. Therefore, US copyright law does apply (although it also applies in most countries with international agreements anyway) and more importantly, under the DMCA legislation is a crime for which you _can_ be prosectuted internationally... US law may not be all encompassing, but neither is the internet some magically place immune from the laws of countries that host it's infrastructure.


Oh, and terrible, ugly, script-converted, badly scaled, lazy and stolen maps we mind less than moronic arguments supporting them... 

Also, I'm sure people here know some of the iD staff. Can we not just get them to send a cease and desist from either iD or their lawyers?

(you said something about not being bothered to sue you right? ;) 

sooo... willem works for one of dime-a-dozen bullshit console catering companies that put out 3rd person shitty shooters and sell them to teenagers who couldnt tell you what a good game really is.

google 'logical fallacies' before you use another 'appeal to authority' to back your arguement that somehow he's right in acting like a knowitall douche because he works at some company that makes games for kiddies.

while you're at it, try to guess how many dollars this ZLZ guy would be stealing from id by releasing a free map for their free game (QL) to be used freely in single player against bots.


next, while you're pondering, take note that I'm not the guy who made the map, and he didn't bother to even talk about your illegal copyright infringement hoohaa.

He hasn't insulted any of you, yet you are still harping on him and his 'work' like an a prick elitist modder, because you think you know so much that you dont have to bother reading the thread.

look at the IPs and, ya know, think a little in the future before you open your mouth. 

If you can't take the heat, get out of the internets or tell your little forum lackeys not to start shit by trashing people and their contributions out of some sort of mistaken belief that they are superior because they have no lives and plenty of time to make custom content for video games.

Can you not see how right off the bat, they were asking for someone to respond to their posts in an not so nice manner? 

i think it almost worked that time :P 

you're not typing hard enough. 

if either of you could conjugate a sentence, or weren't self proclaimed 'modders' for a long dead video game.

:) 

does not conjugate a sentence.