i died like a noob in the start of underwater dm4 segment. map looks nice and slick and i agree that spy said about "proper rmq map" because it reminded me of vondur/czg e1m1 stuff.

i'm also digging the fish fixing pak2.pak\progs.dat, thanks alot for that one as well. 

I could not pass it to the end because of his gaffes: elementary drowned, after being plunged into the hatch, and hoped that I would find some place where I can come up.
Map very much. The idea is original. In the near future to try to go again.

http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/demos/dm456sp_digs.dz 

The underwater bit was very nice, could have been a bit more frantic by by a longer delay on the biosuit respawn.

demo: http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/demos/dm456sp_sleepwalkr.dem.zip 

 

duh, died on the vore trampoline
http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/demos/dm456sp-SpiritQuaddict.7z


Very nice! 

 

I liked the map.
Was in control of everything until the underwater part :)

Here is skill 2 first play demo:
http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/demos/dm456sp_ankh01.7z 

Yes, yes it was ;) 

We're talking about Negke, one of the biggest perfectionists on the forum! Also the most productive perfectionist on the forum.
Actually, I thought that section was pretty great - maybe could have used a few more spotlights, though.
Digs: revenge for smqx11_digs. 

A few observations:
1. The natural reaction of the average Quake player when entering an underwater area is not looking around the room first, but charge into the next best dark tunnel headless
2.apparently the CLEARLY VISIBLE RESPAWNING SUIT RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU is still not visible enough
3. nobody seems to notice the arrows, in and out of the water (guess I shouldn't have dropped the idea of replacing them with the red base arrow)

It suprises me how you seem to get lost so easily - expected the maps to be well-known by every old Quaker.
Sleepy: the respawn delay was longer originally, but seeing how much trouble people still have, I lowered it so they would at least realize right away that it respawns.

Why do Hard player always have so much ammo? One of the testers must have been a double agent!!!! 

So much for perfectionism... 

it just occurred to me now (sorry it didn't happen earlier): if there was a non-respawning suit before entering, the player would feel less pressured to look for a place to go.
this was the reason i charged in the first time. i was looking for a place to get air. i kept going up and found nothing.
i'm a shitty tester. :( 

I had no idea the suit was respawning till I read the comments. You don't expect respawning items in sp. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCFPOofIPOA 

1. hard to teach old Quaker's new tricks, I guess - as above comments and "essence of Quake" thread suggest.

2. Visible enough for me, unlike

3. The arrows, I guess. I don'tmostly due to *overall darkness*/water-induced panic/ fish- blocking-my-way-due-to-not-having-update panic/ crappy settings on fitz since I haven't used it in a while. But yeah, maybe the brighter base arrows would have helped.

-I am not an old quake player, by this board's standards, only picking it up in 2001/2 or so. I have NEVER played a single game of Quake DM in my life, and so was extra excited by this release - it's all new to me, basically.

-Respawn delay is about perfect as it is considering the light and the gameplay scenario's players will encounter. IMHO.

-Ammo - maybe because we're willing to axe more fish/knights/etc than medium/ easy players? 

I don't think of perfection in the same way you do I guess. More like in a Darwinian sense, maybe? perfection in filling a specific niche, which can change, and doesn't always work in other niches (eg GTF's niche, apparently).

-Incredibly stylized in an old school way - typically Atypical, as I said before - with close attention to detail
-Non old-school gameplay in many aspects, involving gimmicks and hacks and gameplay situations which frustrate some players just looking for a more typical quake shootemup (epitomized by Lower Forecourt, and perfectly balanced - to me - in recent releases).
-Other stuff.

You work and rework your maps to fit your unique vision incredibly closely, I guess, is more what I mean.
Cool. I sound really cool. Going to bed now. 

Being a die-hard professional on the map now, I expected you to play on Hard, though. Btw. "negkay" is fine. Or something pronouncable like that.

Some of the textures looked rather strange. Is the QRP really lacking so many standard textures (e.g. bricks) or does it have a problem with all uppercase names? Don't think so as then the stock maps wouldn't work with it, either. 

..looks obnoxious
i'll try anyway though brown/green maps are not my cup of tea 

But I was constantly running out of ammo. That part I admit to not enjoying. The skill level on which this happened, I forget.

The details added were just right. They really seemed to compliment the original maps, and I especially liked the pipes visible from missing sections of the walls.

Down in the underwater area, I didn't drown, but I was constantly lost. Reading the comments above I agree about the arrows. Maybe they could be red instead, and possibly be blinking and making alarming noises.

Despite however much time I've spent playing quake DM, I was not that familiar with the maps, so maybe that is why I got lost.

With the assistance of ye olde ninth impulse, I will probably play again. 

The only hires textures I have installed are Starbucks ones for idbase and his metal ones too. It does look a bit strange on this map I should have disabled them really :P 

Fun!

The underwtaer section had two fails though. The spawn, and the flow logic of where the air supply was.

Putting spawn in water basically nulls the only advantage the player has on them - being able to dodge out of the way.

The suit wasn't in front of the player, it was below them.

When entering water EVERYONE looks up - that's where the air is, not down. The pipe in the ceiling automatically makes you think 'ah, there must be air up there' when in reality it just loops you round into a watery grave.

I suspect having the suit just floating in the center of the room would have been a good move here - less frantic when trying to get back for it, and it being impossible not to notice upon entering.

Never found where to turn off the waterfall sound. 

Shouldn't everyone look down - because that's where the fish are? Makes sense about the pipe, and in retrospect a small air pocket certainly would have been helpful. Trivia: initially that pipe was supposed to connect the water area and the pump room as the exit route after getting the control unit.

Waterfall sound: readme 

Ah, it being an exit makes more sense actually. Without it being there most players would find the suit right away.

Enemies are good for leading a player to an area, but not for making the player notice what's in it, especially if they're under the additional pressure of drowning.

For the sound it said drainpipe near the start - which left me a bit confused, tbh. I would have expected it near the waterfall, but couldn't find anything there. And for me this: http://www.yorkshirewater.com/medialibrary/Lead%20Images/Drain%20pipe.jpg is a drainpipe. Maybe I'm too British.

BTW I'm not just whinging about the map - it's just harder to comment on good things.

I did like the general ambiance, traps, jumping monsters, spawns hiding under stairs and the concept of drowning DM4.

I noticed the arrows ok. 

I just finished the map (on easy - I don't want challenge, I want to just enjoy it :)). it's nice, a combination of oldschool with some new elements, but the entire map feels exactly like the original Quake - dark textures, everything looks strange and ancient.

On the first run 80/109 kills and 2/5 secrets. I will try again later and I'll look for all secrets.

Anyway, very nice map, I'd like a lot to see more like this, maybe a remake of start/end maps from original Quake :) 

Sack the testers they are all imbeciles.

Surely no-one is moronic enough to think that dumping the player in an underwater maze full of rotfish that block the way when dead in tight corridors with minimal health and minimal indication of where to go then putting spawn in critical places and finally dumping a vore at the end of that bit when the player can't outswim voreballs AND making the whole section depend on a new respawning biosuit mechanic which isn't part of Quake and isn't introduced to the player is anything approaching a good idea??

Apart from that, cool map. I didn't really pay attention to the name so kept thinking "this looks familiar" and then finally twigged. I like the detail tweaks to the map and the combination of DM5 and DM6. And I generally like the gameplay esp bouncing ogres and some good ambushes. The Quad secret was great too, I got it right at the end when I had 29 health and the exit Shambler left. I just ran away lolz.

One thing it reminded me of - well done vanilla Quake is still great fun.